Relay: 11. From Pfinnapex to Doraya
| From: | Sally Caves <scaves@...> |
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| Date: | Sunday, December 5, 1999, 20:16 |
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myth@inquo.net (Adam Parrish) wrote:
> Here's the translation that I sent to John Fisher:
>
> "dimami ana tyekar lidrin ae kira ade inralai"
>
> faril kes el maya laran sao tasa radya
> sai kes pir maya laran sao tasa radya
> kekur maron lakatado kur sae tesanerdo da tai ae tueradya
> ui sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara radya
>
> galai kes dyrn da aran laran sao tasa erin
> tali kes enyr ar matos lun sao tata erin
> kiril ae lia ae inilysyra tasa erin
> de sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara erin.
>
> ---
> Smooth English Translation:
>
> "The great mother made this poem about stories"
>
> The wind that gives good health, she hears it.
> The water that gives good food, she hears it.
> Because the unwanted distance causes unhappiness to her that listens,
> Then let's declare that the great mother listens to us well.
>
> The tree that gives strength to the home, she sees it.
> The child that covers the darkness with fear, she sees him.
> The end of the passion of the lovers, she sees it.
> So let's declare that the great mother sees well.
>
> ---
> And now, a line by line morpheme by morpheme interlinear translation:
>
> dimami ana tyekar lidrin ae kira ade inralai
> dimami ana tyekar li.drin ae kira ade in.ralai
> past.mother great perf.create this-hand of poetry about stories
> The great mother created this poem about stories.
>
> (This is the title of the poem. _drin ae kira_ 'hand of poetry' is an
> idiom for 'poem')
>
> faril kes el maya laran sao tasa radya
> faril kes el maya laran sao tasa radya
> wind that health good give RES-N 3ps-3pn hear
> 'The wind that gives good health, she hears it.'
>
> (_sao_ is a resumptive pronoun; _tasa_ is a contraction of the
> pronouns _tai_ 'he/she' and _sae_ 'it'. The _ta_ in _tasa_ could mean
> 'he' or 'she,' but I take it to refer to the 'great mother' in the
> title, so I translate it as 'she.')
>
> sai kes pir maya laran sao tasa radya
> sai kes pir maya laran sao tasa radya
> water that food good give RES-N 3ps-3pn hear
> 'The water that gives good food, she hears it.'
>
> kekur maron lakatado kur sae tesaner da tai ae tueradya
> kekur maron laka-ta-do kur sae tesaner da tai ae tue-radya
> because distance unwanted makes it unhappiness to her of listening
> 'Because the unwanted distance, it causes unhappiness to her that listens'
>
> ui sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara radya
> ui sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara radya
> then one declare that mother great well 3ps-1pp listens
> 'Then let's declare that the great mother listens to us well'
>
> galai kes dyrn da aran laran sao tasa erin
> galai kes dyrn da aran laran sao ta-sa erin
> tree that strength to home give RES-N 3ps-3pn see
> 'The tree that gives strength to the home, she sees it'
>
> tali kes enyr ar matos lun sao tata erin
> tali kes enyr ar matos lun sao tata erin
> child that darkness with fear cover RES-N 3ps-3ps see
> 'The child that covers the darkness with fear, she sees him/her'
>
> kiril ae lia ae inilysyra tasa erin
> kiril ae lia ae inilysyra tasa erin
> end of passion of lovers 3ps-3pn sees
> 'The end of the passion of the lovers, she sees it'
>
> de sa aeyneda de mami ana tanda tara erin.
> de sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara erin.
> so one declare that mother great well 3ps-1pp see
> 'So let's declare that the great mother sees well.'
>
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Since it seems as if we've given up on the concept of "order,"
attached below is my leg of the relay, unimportant as it may be . . . (I
would have done this earlier, but I'm currently home for Thanksgiving
and telnetting into my box back at Berkeley has proven more inconvenient
than I first thought)
Later,
Adam
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Here's the translation that I sent to John Fisher:
"dimami ana tyekar lidrin ae kira ade inralai"
faril kes el maya laran sao tasa radya
sai kes pir maya laran sao tasa radya
kekur maron lakatado kur sae tesanerdo da tai ae tueradya
ui sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara radya
galai kes dyrn da aran laran sao tasa erin
tali kes enyr ar matos lun sao tata erin
kiril ae lia ae inilysyra tasa erin
de sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara erin.
---
Smooth English Translation:
"The great mother made this poem about stories"
The wind that gives good health, she hears it.
The water that gives good food, she hears it.
Because the unwanted distance causes unhappiness to her that listens,
Then let's declare that the great mother listens to us well.
The tree that gives strength to the home, she sees it.
The child that covers the darkness with fear, she sees him.
The end of the passion of the lovers, she sees it.
So let's declare that the great mother sees well.
---
And now, a line by line morpheme by morpheme interlinear translation:
dimami ana tyekar lidrin ae kira ade inralai
dimami ana tyekar li.drin ae kira ade in.ralai
past.mother great perf.create this-hand of poetry about stories
The great mother created this poem about stories.
(This is the title of the poem. _drin ae kira_ 'hand of poetry' is an
idiom for 'poem')
faril kes el maya laran sao tasa radya
faril kes el maya laran sao tasa radya
wind that health good give RES-N 3ps-3pn hear
'The wind that gives good health, she hears it.'
(_sao_ is a resumptive pronoun; _tasa_ is a contraction of the
pronouns _tai_ 'he/she' and _sae_ 'it'. The _ta_ in _tasa_ could mean
'he' or 'she,' but I take it to refer to the 'great mother' in the
title, so I translate it as 'she.')
sai kes pir maya laran sao tasa radya
sai kes pir maya laran sao tasa radya
water that food good give RES-N 3ps-3pn hear
'The water that gives good food, she hears it.'
kekur maron lakatado kur sae tesaner da tai ae tueradya
kekur maron laka-ta-do kur sae tesaner da tai ae tue-radya
because distance unwanted makes it unhappiness to her of listening
'Because the unwanted distance, it causes unhappiness to her that listens'
ui sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara radya
ui sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara radya
then one declare that mother great well 3ps-1pp listens
'Then let's declare that the great mother listens to us well'
galai kes dyrn da aran laran sao tasa erin
galai kes dyrn da aran laran sao ta-sa erin
tree that strength to home give RES-N 3ps-3pn see
'The tree that gives strength to the home, she sees it'
tali kes enyr ar matos lun sao tata erin
tali kes enyr ar matos lun sao tata erin
child that darkness with fear cover RES-N 3ps-3ps see
'The child that covers the darkness with fear, she sees him/her'
kiril ae lia ae inilysyra tasa erin
kiril ae lia ae inilysyra tasa erin
end of passion of lovers 3ps-3pn sees
'The end of the passion of the lovers, she sees it'
de sa aeyneda de mami ana tanda tara erin.
de sa aeyneda de mami ana sanda tara erin.
so one declare that mother great well 3ps-1pp see
'So let's declare that the great mother sees well.'
---
And here's the text I received from Nicole:
First, I'll put the whole poem. Then, line by line, I'll divide it into
morphemes, which I'll translate, with notes beneath each line. If you
need more help, feel free to ask.
acc - accusative
dat - dative
gen - genitive
inst - instrumental
subj - subjunctive
aug - augmentative
dem - demonstrative
opp - opposite
def - definite
pl - plural
sg - singular
imp - imperative
inf - infinitive
Where unspecified, verbs are present indicative and nouns are
nominative. Word order is SOV, except in subclauses, where it is SVO.
Pfinnganngexi pfinngunsixan pyfinfinitik pfinfilfiltik lysruli
Rina pfintynulput, lo fiklito titlespet pfyt, pinxyli
Rina nixpit, lo fiklito nganrekngepet, pinxyli
Ngi ngupngyng paxsifiki nganpaxfenepfapat rinasak, lo pinxylito,
roksatli
Xinxin, pfop sototo pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt pipinxy, ngengaliti.
Rina pfinsepfepet, lo fiklito fulerpet pfinxikilsik, lutli
Rina pfintinxepet, lo kuxsuflito larsyspfapat ferykyng, lutli
Rina pfinsypfilpit pfinpforfatak lyxxanxantak lutli
Xinxin, pfop tepfyfy pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt lut, ngengaliti.
Pfinnganngexi pfinngunsixan pyfinfinitik pfinfilfiltik lysruli
Pfin.ngan.ngexi pfin.ngunsixan pyfin.fini.tik pfin.fil.fil.tik lysru.li
def.aug.mother def.creator dem.poem.gen def.story.pl.gen be.pres
This is the title of the poem. A noun in the genitive case comes after
the noun it modifies.
---
Rina pfintynulput, lo fiklito titlespet pfyt, pinxyli
Rina pfin.tynul.put, lo fik.li.to titles.pet pfyt, pinxy.li
3sg def.wind.acc, that give.pres.subj health.acc good, hear.pres
Although Rina can be he or she, I take it to refer to Pfinnganngexi,
which would make it she
---
Rina nixpit, lo fiklito nganrekngepet, pinxyli
Rina nix.pit, lo fik.li.to ngan.reknge.pet, pinxy.li
3sg water.acc, which give.pres.subj aug.food.acc, hear.pres
---
Ngi ngupngyng paxsifiki nganpaxfenepfapat rinasak, lo pinxylito,
roksatli
Ngi ngupngyng pax.sifiki ngan.pax.fenepfa.pat rina.sak, lo pinxy.li.to,
roksat.li
Because distance opp.wanted aug.opp.happiness.acc 3sg.dat, that
listen.subj.pres, make.pres.ind
roksatli can also be translated at cause, or make to do/be. Adjectives
come after the noun they modify, as do relative phrases, which are
introduced by lo. (this is relevant for above lines as well)
---
Xinxin, pfop sototo pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt pipinxy, ngengaliti.
Xin.xin, pfop soto.to pfin.ngan.ngexi.tik lysru.li.to pfyt pipinxy,
ngenga.li.ti.
1pl, that ear.pl def.aug.mother.gen be.subj.pres good listen.inf,
assert.pres.imp
The use of an imperative with the 1pl pronoun is much like in French,
where it represents the construction "let's (do something)"
---
Rina pfinsepfepet, lo fiklito fulerpet pfinxikilsik, lutli
Rina pfin.sepfe.pet, lo fik.li.to fuler.pet pfin.xikil.sik, lut.li
3sg def.tree.acc, which give.subj.pres strength.acc def.home.dat,
see.pres
xikil has the meaning of both house and home.
---
Rina pfintinxepet, lo kuxsuflito larsyspfapat ferykyng, lutli
Rina pfin.tinxe.pet, lo kuxsuf.li.to larsyspfa.pat fery.kyng, lut.li
3sg def.child.acc, which cover.pres.subj darkness.acc fear.inst,
see.pres
Neither I, Dennis, nor Irina (the two people ahead of me in the relay)
quite understand what this line is supposed to mean.
---
Rina pfinsypfilpit pfinpforfatak lyxxanxantak lutli
Rina pfin.sypfil.pit pfin.pforfa.tak lyxxan.xan.tak lut.li
3sg def.end.acc def.passion.gen lover.pl.gen see.pres
---
Xinxin, pfop tepfyfy pfinnganngexitik lysrulito pfyt lut, ngengaliti.
Xin.xin, pfop tepfy.fy pfin.ngan.ngexi.tik lysru.li.to pfyt lut,
ngenga.li.ti.
1pl, that eye.pl def.aug.mother.gen be.pres.subj good see.inf,
assert.pres
---
In all the places above where I put "subj.pres" it should be "pres.subj"
but I'm really too tired to go back and change it, especially since it
doesn't really matter at all. If you need an explanation of anything to
do with my grammar, please ask, I don't have a webpage as yet but I'll
respond to your mail as soon as possible.
Good luck
Nicole
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