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Re: New (Well, Revamped) Language: TIEG'EW / GABWE

From:Carlos Thompson <carlos_thompson@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 15, 2000, 3:08
Eric Christopherson

> On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 02:32:27PM -0500, Carlos Thompson wrote: > > Well, the epenthetic vowel could be a lax vowel /@ I U/ close > > to next vowel. It could also be close to the point of
> > of the consonants: labial and velar would bring /U/, coronal, > > uvular and faringeals would bring /@/, palatals would bring > > /I/... or something like that. This way they become more > > systematic. > > I'm confused as to how velar consonants would make it /U/ but > uvular and pharyngeals would make it /@/, since uvular and > pharyngeal are further back than velar. Now that I think of that, > coronal (dental/alveolar/retroflex, right?) is further forward than > palatals, so why would that cause the vowel to be central?
Well, I worked a little from intuition, but we can try to explain it a little. [u] could be thought as the vocalic version of [w]: labiovelar approximant, and this is not hard to see: an unrounded [u]: [M] (upside down m) is closer to the velar approximant [M\] (upside down m with long tail), this is because [u] has a velar component. The lax version of [u]: [U] has that velar component as well. Well, another experiment is: begin form the voiced stop of the desired point of articulation: [b], [d], [c_v], [g], [q_v] ..., allow the air stream to increase untill you get a fricative: [B], [D] or [z], [j\], [G], [R]..., then rellax the mount untill it becames fricativeless: approximants: ?, [r\], [j], [M\], ?, and keep relaxing till they become vowels. Then try to figure out wich is the closer allowed vowel in your system. For me it becomes /u/ from both labial and velar articulations and /@/ from the dental and /V/ from the uvular articulations. -- Carlos Th