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Re: tolkien?

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Thursday, December 11, 2003, 3:35
On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 10:23  AM, Wesley Parish wrote:
> Then I read "Morgoth's Ring" and thought a lot about Tolkien's > statements that > the Druedain - Ghan-buri-Ghan and the Wild Men in Druadan Forest - were > somehow related to orcs, each viewing the other as traitors to their > essential selves
But of course Ghaan bre'Ghaan and the other Drughkidhm are actually related to the Rokbeigalm ;) . long A in Dru. = /&/ in Rok. Proto-R/D */@/ and */@:/ merged into /u/ in Dru. In Rok., */@:/ turned into /V/ and /@/ dropped out. The Rok. patro/matro-nymic prefix |bre'| (son of) and |bra'| (daughter of), and the Dru. patro/matro-nymic binder |-buri-| (son/daughter of) are unusual; especially in Rok., names defy rules of phonological shift. The original protoform was probably something like */b@r@/, which then was split up genderwise in Rok., but not at all in accordance with the normal gender prefixes and pronouns, where male is represented by the /o/ vowel land female by the /i/! In Dru., on the other hand, it seems to have remained gender-neutral, but the two vowels dissimilated from each other. */b@r@/ is also strange, because you'd expect a transparent construct-compound with the normal word for 'child' (/bar/ in both languages), in which case, at least in Rok., the vowel would be *lengthened* (to /ba:r/) instead of centralized! It's possible that Proto-R/D used a construct-compound binder, like the archaic Rok. /o/, in which case */b@r@/ could have been a worn-down form of something like */baro/ or */baro:/. (((((of course, all statements and suppositions here about the Drughu language which are unattested in Prof. Tolkien's writings are my own invention and therefore completely noncanonical))))) -Stephen (Steg) "numenoreans came, numenoreans who became selfish and thought that they were gods. but Ocean rose up over them, and traded them to Underworld for murex-shells and pebbles, and for glitterings of light." ~ rokbeigalmki poem ("numyenaurkim uhmzu-elyeb")

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