Re: tolkien?

You're amazing, Steg!  I am at a loss for words!

You've trumped me royally, bro!  I never would've had the audacity - or the
linguistic skill, for that matter - to make something so thoroughly convincing
and realistic out of the Master Conlanger's own works!

Well done!  Very well done!  (/me takes hood off, bows deeply, a la Balin to
Bilbo after the Mines of the Goblins. :-)

Wesley Parish

Quoting Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>:

> On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 10:23 AM, Wesley Parish wrote:
> > Then I read "Morgoth's Ring" and thought a lot about Tolkien's
> > statements that
> > the Druedain - Ghan-buri-Ghan and the Wild Men in Druadan Forest -
> were
> > somehow related to orcs, each viewing the other as traitors to their
> > essential selves
>
> But of course Ghaan bre'Ghaan and the other Drughkidhm are actually
> related to the Rokbeigalm ;) .
>
> long A in Dru. = /&/ in Rok.
>
> Proto-R/D */@/ and */@:/ merged into /u/ in Dru.
> In Rok., */@:/ turned into /V/ and /@/ dropped out.
>
> The Rok. patro/matro-nymic prefix |bre'| (son of) and |bra'| (daughter
> of), and the Dru. patro/matro-nymic binder |-buri-| (son/daughter of)
> are unusual; especially in Rok., names defy rules of phonological
> shift. The original protoform was probably something like */b@r@/,
> which then was split up genderwise in Rok., but not at all in
> accordance with the normal gender prefixes and pronouns, where male is
> represented by the /o/ vowel land female by the /i/! In Dru., on the
> other hand, it seems to have remained gender-neutral, but the two
> vowels dissimilated from each other. */b@r@/ is also strange, because
> you'd expect a transparent construct-compound with the normal word for
> 'child' (/bar/ in both languages), in which case, at least in Rok., the
> vowel would be *lengthened* (to /ba:r/) instead of centralized! It's
> possible that Proto-R/D used a construct-compound binder, like the
> archaic Rok. /o/, in which case */b@r@/ could have been a worn-down
> form of something like */baro/ or */baro:/.
>
>
> (((((of course, all statements and suppositions here about the Drughu
> language which are unattested in Prof. Tolkien's writings are my own
> invention and therefore completely noncanonical)))))
>
>
> -Stephen (Steg)
>  "numenoreans came, numenoreans who became selfish
>  and thought that they were gods.
>  but Ocean rose up over them,
>  and traded them to Underworld
>  for murex-shells and pebbles,
>  and for glitterings of light."
>  ~ rokbeigalmki poem ("numyenaurkim uhmzu-elyeb")
>


"I me.  Shape middled me.  I would come out into hot!"
I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the
other horizon.

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