Re: Typologic survey, part I
| From: | Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg.rhiemeier@...> |
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| Date: | Sunday, January 28, 2001, 23:56 |
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taliesin the storyteller <taliesin@...> writes:
> ---- PART I Conlang Typlogic Survey 2001 ----
>
> House-keeping data
>
> Name of the participating conlang:
Germanech
> Name/id of the creators:
Jörg Rhiemeier
> Name/id of the submitter, if different from the creator:
ibid.
> Place used, if any:
Germany, in a timeline where Rome succeeded in conquering it
> Web-address with more information, if any:
None yet
I don't think that this classification system is particularly useful for
anything except auxlangs. Most languages invented by list members
aren't auxlangs, thus the system applies poorly. In Harrison's system
Germanech would perhaps be classified 1.1.1, as it is a Romance language
and thus based on Latin.
> 1: Word order of Subject (S), Object (O) and Verb (V)
>
> The possible orders are: SVO/SOV/VSO/VOS/OSV/OVS/free/doesn't apply
> Which order(s) is/are most common?
> Which orders are possible?
Word order in Germanech is SVO.
> Is the order different if the verb is intransitive, if so, how?
Intransitive word order is SV, as expected.
> ---- END part I ----
> [2] btw, has anyone a better/different classification scheme?
I think artlangs should be classified as if they were natlangs, because
most of them are meant to represent natlangs spoken in fictional worlds.
There are several ways of typologically classifying languages besides
word order:
relational typology (accusative, ergative, active, ...)
isolating/agglutinating/inflecting/polysynthetic
head-marking/dependent-marking
prepositional/postpositional
number of cases
number of genders
number of numbers (sing./pl./etc.)
number of verb tenses
number of verb aspects
number of verb moods
number of verb voices
and several others. And then there's the usual genealogical
classification. Artlangs sometimes are fictional members of real-world
families, and if they are not, they often belong to fictional families.
Germanech is:
accusative
inflecting
dependent-marking
prepositonal
1 case
2 genders (masculine, feminine)
2 numbers (singular, plural)
5 verb tenses (present, preterite, past definite, future, conditional)
2 verb aspects (simple, perfect)
3 verb moods (indicative, subjunctive, imperative)
2 verb voices (active, passive)
Indo-European, Romance
And once again for another language...
> ---- PART I Conlang Typlogic Survey 2001 ----
>
> House-keeping data
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> Name of the participating conlang:
Nur-ellen
> Name/id of the creators:
Jörg Rhiemeier
> Name/id of the submitter, if different from the creator:
ibid.
> Place used, if any:
This issue is still under consideration, but as for now, I's say that it
is spoken in Elfham, one of the Kingdoms of the Westlands (in an
alternative timeline Great Britain).
> Web-address with more information, if any:
none yet
see my comment above on applicability, would be 2.1.2
> 1: Word order of Subject (S), Object (O) and Verb (V)
>
> The possible orders are: SVO/SOV/VSO/VOS/OSV/OVS/free/doesn't apply
> Which order(s) is/are most common?
> Which orders are possible?
Word order is free, but SVO most common.
> Is the order different if the verb is intransitive, if so, how?
Usual intransitive word order is SV, but VS (or rather VO) is often used
with stative verbs.
Nur-ellen is:
inflecting
active
dependent-marking
prepositional
2 cases (agentive, objective)
2 genders (animate, inanimate)
2 numbers (singular, plural)
3 verb tenses (present, past, future)
2 verb aspects (simple, perfect)
3 verb moods (indicative, subjunctive, imperative)
1 verb voice
Quendian
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