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Re: YAEPT: track

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpjonsson@...>
Date:Tuesday, June 13, 2006, 18:57
Andreas Johansson skrev:

>>Swedish like English has very various realizations of >>/r/ in different lects. I don't know if those who >>have [z`] for /r/ have [d`z`] and [t`s`] for /dr/ >>and /tr/, but it wouldn't surprise me. > > > I've got a [z`] allophone for /r/, but it doesn't show up in this particular > position - the clusters are [tr`_0] and [dr`], the flaps/taps turning to trills > in careful speech. > > However, I've seen [tz`] in transcriptions of Mälaren Valley regiolect - I > strongly suspect this is sloppy transcription for [t`s`] (I'm tempted to write > [tz`_0], because my [z`] does, for whatever reason, not have exactly the same > point of articulation as [s`] (for /rs/), but I shouldn't assume this is > necessarily more than an idiosyncrasy of mine).
Possibly your /r/ [r\`].
>>Interestingly there is a tendency among young, >>mostly female, Swedish speakers to insert a >>[@]-ish sound in Cr and Cv combinations, >>so that you get [t_h@r\e:] for _tre_ '3' and >>[t_h@v\o:] for _två_ '2'. It surely is most >>noticeable in those two words, but probably only >>because they are often said in isolation -- >>("How many potatoes do you want?"). Maybe >>Swedish won't have any Cr and Cv combinations >>a hundred years from now! > > > Daniel Andreasson wrote some posts about this phenomenon years ago. However, he > transcribed the sound as [e], eg. [t_he'r\e:].
Brobably because there is no /@/ in Swedish, though some have [@\] for unstressed /e/, and I suspect that is the sound actually heard in this pronunciation. FWIW I hear [t_h8'v\o:] as often as not, when I hear this phenomenon. Anyway good to know I'm not the only one to notice this! As you know I'm usually extremely laissez faire when it comes to pronunciation, but I really hope this one won't spread! As a rule I'm allergic to the 'Bimbo Swedish' of which it's a part. -- /BP 8^)> -- Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se a shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un flot (Max Weinreich)

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