Re: YAEPT: track

Quoting Benct Philip Jonsson <bpjonsson@...>:

> Andreas Johansson skrev:
>
> >>Swedish like English has very various realizations of
> >>/r/ in different lects.  I don't know if those who
> >>have [z`] for /r/ have [d`z`] and [t`s`] for /dr/
> >>and /tr/, but it wouldn't surprise me.
> >
> >
> > I've got a [z`] allophone for /r/, but it doesn't show up in this
> particular
> > position - the clusters are [tr`_0] and [dr`], the flaps/taps turning to
> trills
> > in careful speech.
> >
> > However, I've seen [tz`] in transcriptions of Mälaren Valley regiolect - I
> > strongly suspect this is sloppy transcription for [t`s`] (I'm tempted to
> write
> > [tz`_0], because my [z`] does, for whatever reason, not have exactly the
> same
> > point of articulation as [s`] (for /rs/), but I shouldn't assume this is
> > necessarily more than an idiosyncrasy of mine).
>
> Possibly your /r/ [r\`].
Is there a an "is" missing in there? Well, what I called an [z`] allophone might
better be transcribed as [r\`]; telling fricatives and approximants apart was
never my strong point.

> >>Interestingly there is a tendency among young,
> >>mostly female, Swedish speakers to insert a
> >>[@]-ish sound in Cr  and Cv combinations,
> >>so that you get [t_h@r\e:] for _tre_ '3' and
> >>[t_h@v\o:] for _två_ '2'.  It surely is most
> >>noticeable in those two words, but probably only
> >>because they are often said in isolation --
> >>("How many potatoes do you want?").  Maybe
> >>Swedish won't have any Cr and Cv combinations
> >>a hundred years from now!
> >
> >
> > Daniel Andreasson wrote some posts about this phenomenon years ago.
> However, he
> > transcribed the sound as [e], eg. [t_he'r\e:].
>
> Brobably because there is no /@/ in Swedish, though
> some have [@\] for unstressed /e/, and I suspect that
> is the sound actually heard in this pronunciation.
Maybe. Hearing a [e] here seems odd to me, on distributional grounds. Unstressed
short [e]'s and [@]'s tend to register as [E]'s in my brain, but Daniel's may be
differently wired.

> FWIW I hear [t_h8'v\o:] as often as not, when I hear
> this phenomenon.
>
> Anyway good to know I'm not the only one to notice this!
> As you know I'm usually extremely laissez faire when it
> comes to pronunciation, but I really hope this one won't
> spread!  As a rule I'm allergic to the 'Bimbo Swedish'
> of which it's a part.
I've never consciously heard the phenomenon myself. Then again, I know very few
people who could be construed as "bimbos" ...

                                               Andreas