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Re: Another new lang

From:Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Tuesday, February 22, 2000, 19:33
At 9:49 pm +0100 21/2/00, Irina Rempt wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Raymond Brown wrote: > >> The Welsh 'r' is always trilled. Normally it's an alveoloar (or apical) >> trill; but some speakers in the north use a uvular trill (yes - a trill, >> _not_ the modern French uvular approximant). I guess these speakers must >> use an aspirated uvular trill for 'rh', tho I confess I've not heard the >> sound. > >I have; when I was in North Wales trying to learn Welsh I was >complimented on my mastery of it.
Good - nice to have this confirmed :)
> They're used to English speakers >who can't seem to learn [R] or [?] (whatever you spell it as in IPA, >I write it "[devoiced R]" in the ASCII-IPA representation of >Valdyan). I happen to have a natural uvular 'r' :-)
So does my elder grandson (6 years old) - a lovely uvular trill. I guess as he gets older it'll give way to the effete Parisian uvular approximant <sigh> In south Wales the apical trill is standard & I can manage the aspirated/ devoiced apical trill quite easily. Pob hwyl, Ray. ========================================= A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language. [J.G. Hamann 1760] =========================================