Re: Another new lang
|From:||Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, February 22, 2000, 19:33|
At 9:49 pm +0100 21/2/00, Irina Rempt wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Raymond Brown wrote:
>> The Welsh 'r' is always trilled. Normally it's an alveoloar (or apical)
>> trill; but some speakers in the north use a uvular trill (yes - a trill,
>> _not_ the modern French uvular approximant). I guess these speakers must
>> use an aspirated uvular trill for 'rh', tho I confess I've not heard the
>I have; when I was in North Wales trying to learn Welsh I was
>complimented on my mastery of it.
Good - nice to have this confirmed :)
> They're used to English speakers
>who can't seem to learn [R] or [?] (whatever you spell it as in IPA,
>I write it "[devoiced R]" in the ASCII-IPA representation of
>Valdyan). I happen to have a natural uvular 'r' :-)
So does my elder grandson (6 years old) - a lovely uvular trill. I guess as
he gets older it'll give way to the effete Parisian uvular approximant
In south Wales the apical trill is standard & I can manage the aspirated/
devoiced apical trill quite easily.
A mind which thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language.
[J.G. Hamann 1760]