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Re: new lang idea . . .

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 13:01
En réponse à Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>:

> > How boring!
?!!! Speaking of [x\] and similars, are there any languages
> beside > certain misguided variants of Swedish that actually use [x\] or other > "double" fricatives? X-SAMPA appears not to have symbols for any > others. >
They can be rendered at will with the tie bar (as it's done with doubly articulated stops like [k_p] or with affricates [t_S]). Why does IPA have a single sign specifically for that one by the way? (or is it a fossil from earlier versions of IPA, which did have separate signs for affricates for instance?).
> > Well, that agrees with what he said about vowel qualities, but he > must've > left something out about stress,
That's what I think too. unless that "s" is a stealth
> geminate. > > (Maggelish idea: an orthography where geminated consonants are indicated > by > variant spellings of adjacent vowels. Is there any such beast out > there?) >
Well, *that* would be fun! Unfortunately I don't think Maggel has that, although its rendering of geminates is rather complicated as it is. Basically, double letters might be geminates (but they aren't always so, like in the name |maggel|, where the geminate is not a true one, the first |g| being just a mark of length of the second vowel), but they often aren't (latest find: |ssaib| ['s&b]: each seven of them, where the first |s| is just a mark of nominalisation of the adjective, and is not pronounced here. Note that often people forget one |s| and write it |saib|, making it identical to |saib| ['s&p]: seven. This is helped by the fact that |ss| is written in Maggel script using a ligature nearly identical to a single |s|). |t| in front of a consonant often marks gemination of that one, but it's not always true (no example at hand though). Finally some geminates are just not marked at all... Christophe. Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.