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Re: phonemic spellin of "science"

From:Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 10, 2000, 5:36
At 10:31 pm -0400 9/5/00, Nik Taylor wrote:
>Jonathan Chang wrote: >> okay, good topic... what would be would a good alternative spellin' be? >> "siensio" /sie'ns'i'o/ or /si'ens'i'o/ ? or what? > >Better yet would've been if he'd used <c> = /k/, for /skien'kio/ (or >even esciencio, /eskien'kio/), or at least esciencio, /estsien'tsio/.
Except that /sk/ does not occur in any natlang's pronunciation of this word AFAIK. Some convention allowing <sc> = /S/, a la Italian or Old English, would give a far pleasanter sound, but would probably be inconsistent in an AIL like Esperanto. Also one has to consider derivations. Presumably the language would want words like 'scientist', 'scientific' etc. If, on pain of death, I had to produce an "Esperanto reform", I'd opt for 'sientio'. But...
>But, what's done is done.
Amen. I've had more than my fill of E-o (and other AILs - don't blame E-o for them all, by any means) flame-wars on another list, so I hesitate to comment. But IMHO Esperanto is Esperanto is Esperanto. As Nik says: what's done is done. If one starts messing around, one only produces yet another 'esperantido' - and IMO there's more than enough of those around already. [...]
> >Of course, /sts/ can also occur in English as in "guests"
But _not_ as syllabic onset. And in the traditional Sussex dialect, that'd be 'guestes' (or even 'guesteses' :)
>(or worse yet, >"guest's story", with /stst/!).
Only in slow, deliberate speech. The first /t/ surely disappears in 'allegro speech'. Ray. ========================================= A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language. [J.G. Hamann 1760] =========================================