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Re: New Pseudo-Dravidian Conlang

From:Rob Haden <magwich78@...>
Date:Thursday, July 7, 2005, 19:40
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:21:40 -0700, David J. Peterson <dedalvs@...>

>Rob wrote: ><< >2. Rhotic + stop => lengthened vowel + stop; e.g. *karkka => kaakka. If >there's already a long vowel, the rhotic becomes /u/; e.g. >*ceer.t.t.i => >ceeut.t.i. > >> > >Just a quick question: What would happen to *kuurkka? Would >it become /kuuukka/? Ditto with *kuulkka, and the rule below:
Good point! I suppose that would become either kuukka or kuvukka (the latter obviously with dissimilation).
>3. Lateral + stop => /u/ + stop; e.g. *pelkku => peukku. This change >occurs even when the vowel is already long, so *ceer.t.t.i and >*ceel.t.t.i >would have the same outcome, ceeut.t.i. > >> > >Oh, and in your transcription above, what do the dots mean? I'd >think syllable boundaries, but does this mean each /t/ is its own >syllable?
The dots indicate retroflex articulation.
>Also, does this apply to long vowels?
Long vowels are considered monosyllabic, but dimoraic.
><< >1. Nasal + stop => nasal vowel + stop; e.g. *pamppu => päppu (where <ä> >denotes /a~/). This is where (most of) the nasal vowels come from. > >> > >Thus, *paamppu would become /pa:~ppu/.
Right, exactly.
>Oh, and you gave an example at the bottom: > ><< >sampusan koyur. = [' 'ko.jur`] > >> > >Shouldn't that be [' 'ko.jur`], via rule 1?
Sorry, I should've been more specific. The nasalization rules only occur when a vocalic nucleus is followed by a coda nasal *and* a coda stop. So, <sampusan> would remain /'sam.pu.san/ in isolation.
>Looks neat! I also like the dental fricatives.
Thanks! I think what I'll do is keep the dental fricative and have a retroflex affricate as its 'counterpart'. They could descend from /t_h/ and /t`_h/, respectively. - Rob