Re: Relexes Pt. 1: Defence

On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 12:21 AM, Tim May wrote:

> Ray Brown wrote at 2003-12-15 20:41:28 (+0000)
>> On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Costentin Cornomorus wrote:
>>
>>> --- Ray Brown <ray.brown@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, tell me, you two, what languages do the grammars of
>>>> lojban, AllNoun and Lin mirror?
>>>
>>> I don't know. Tell me their grammars.
>>
>> I posted at least five emails to the list giving the grammar of Lin
>> not so very long ago. I don't have time at present to repeat the
>> exercise.  I imagine they're sill in the conlang archives.
>
> Yes, I believe this is them here:
>
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-
> bin/wa?A2=ind0203D&L=conlang&P=R20186
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-
> bin/wa?A2=ind0204A&L=conlang&P=R1124
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-
> bin/wa?A2=ind0204A&L=conlang&P=R19004
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-
> bin/wa?A2=ind0204B&L=conlang&P=R23056
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-
> bin/wa?A2=ind0204B&L=conlang&P=R31939
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-
> bin/wa?A2=ind0204C&L=conlang&P=R7289
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-
> bin/wa?A2=ind0204C&L=conlang&P=R11986
Thanks.  If I had Srikanth's permission, I'd happily put the stuff on my
web-site,
but I haven't been able to contact him.

>> I thought lojban had its own website - I don't know the URL, but a
>> quick search with Google should suffice.  Of course you always get
>> John to sell you a copy of the Red book of Lojban :)
>
> There's an online HTML version of this (_The Complete Lojban
> Language_) here:
> http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar.html
Yep - http://www.lojban.org is very well set-out site - a lot of
info there.

> Supposedly it contains errors fixed in the print version.
All the more reason to buy the book, I guess.

>> I can look out the stuff I downloaded about AllNoun; but it will
>> take a while - I'm surprised it's not still about o the Internet.
>
> The site seems to be dead;
Yes, I tried today - and the site does indeed seem to be dead.

I've found Tom Breton's description of he language that I downloaded
on St David's Day, 1996.   I see it is copy-righted Tom Breton, 1995;
so I'm not sure what the legal implication is of posting it on an
open list.  Now doubt John C. will advise   :)

[snip]
>> But for a start, seek a natlang where the only part of speech is a
>> noun.
>
> Doesn't it also have four "operators"? (Not that this makes it any
> easier to find a natural analogue.)
No, it doesn't  :)

Indeed, I had a quick browse through a few loglangs this afternoon;
personally, I don't see how any of them can reasonably be considered
as relexes of natlangs.

Ray
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