Re: Strange phonology

Pablo Flores wrote:

>Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...> wrote:
>> FFlores wrote:
>> > 4) I just produced a sound more or less like the
>> > one a child might produce when he sticks out the
>> > tip of his tongue between his teeth, and blows.
>> > I found in this way you can produce a trill
>> > (makes your lower lip shake) or an approximant
>> > (air going between the tongue and the lower lip),
>> > though I don't know if they exist in any language,
>> > or how to call them. What do you think?
>>
>> I know of no language with those sounds, but I guess you'd call
>> them a "linguolabial" sound.
>
>Thanks for the idea. Now I'll have to think of how to
>represent them. I've found that both sounds seem to be
>lateral in a way (the air has to go along the lower gums
>to get out the lower lip, and your cheeks expand!) so I
>think it could be <L> (for either one). I don't think
>I will have both...
I just had a closer look at what you wrote. The sound is definitely
a linguolabial sound, as Nik pointed out. But I would also add the
term sublaminal - thus, the sound is a "sublaminal linguolabial
trill". The linguolabial sounds known to exist in the world today
use the _upper_ lip and not the lower lip as you described. So if
you add the term "sublaminal", you would be implying that you would
be using the lower lip against the underside of your tongue.

As for representing them: The IPA has a diacritic - what looks like
a tiny bracket placed under a coronal sound is the diacritic for
linguolabial sounds. To add the distinction of it being sublaminal,
I guess you would have to use this diacritic under a retroflex
consonant even though technically it isn't a retroflex - but many
retroflexes are sublaminal in the first place anyways. That's just
one suggestion. There is bound to be more!!

-kristian- 8-)