Re: Intro to Frankish, was Re: A Franco-Turkic a posteriori language

>From: Doug Dee <AmateurLinguist@...>
>Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <CONLANG@...>
>To: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
>Subject: Re: Intro to Frankish,              was Re: A Franco-Turkic a
>posteriori language
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:03:53 EST
>
>In a message dated 1/12/2005 3:43:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>Rodlox@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
> >my historical geography's a mite rusty...weren't there a lot more Turks
> >in/near Byzantium than there were in/near the Crusader states?
>
>Maybe, but I figure that if they succeeded in conquering Byzanitum, they'd
>eventually turn their attention southwards towards the Crusaders again.
>
>Also note that in my conhistory, there will be no Fourth Crusade and sack
>of
>Constantinople to weak the Byzantines.
  I agree that the 4th Crusade did weaken the Byzantines...but I beg to
differ that it was the only thing that weakened the Byzantines. (unless I
misunderstand you, which is possible).

for example, one of the Seljuk leaders was in alliance with the Emperor of
the Holy Roman Empire against the Byzantines.

>So I'm assuming both the Byzantines and the Crusaders will weather the
>Turkish storm.
there's still Arabs to deal with, and Greeks, and Armenians, and a plethoria
of other groups.


> >>  Therefore, there will be a Greek-speaking empire
> > next door
> > >to these Frankish-speakers, which might lead to more Greek influence
>than I
> > >initially planned on.
>
> >not neccessarily...the Byzantine Empire might undergo a third change
>(from
> >Latin-speaking to Greek-speaking to Turk/Arabic-speaking).
it was pointed out that the Empire itself overall wasn't
Latin-speaking.....rather than slice and dice the details of what the vast
masses spoke, I'll just offer the idea of the leadership changing their
language.

(given how frequent coups were in Byzantium, I think that may be viable).

>It could, but it doesn't seem likely to me under the circumstances.  I
>can't
>think of an example of a sizable country adopting the language of hostile
>neighbors who tried & failed to conquer it.
ahh, but the neighbors wouldn't be hostile forever.


(someone else pointed out that English remained the language of the masses
both before and after the Norman Invasion in 1066.....well, what happened to
all the /ae/ and such Anglo-Saxon letters?  *curious*).

>Doug

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