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>Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 05/07/99 20:48:08 , Ray a =E9crit :
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> > But if Jennifer goes down that road, she'll likely finish up with jus=
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>an
> > English relex - which I guess is not what she wants.
> >
>
>you make THE point here.
>you native speakers will never fully understand all the feeling of
>freedom a non-native speaker enjoys when expressing himself
>in english. english is the most refined language i ever met in my life.
>it is by no means easy but is so incredibly complete and exotic.
>too bad i met it so late in my 25's after so much time spent stubbornly
>decyphering disappointingly whimsical natlangs.
Are you serious? Wow, that's great. And all this time I thought I was jus=
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bad at learning natlangs. I guess its because I expect them to do=20
everything english does? And you're saying they don't, even in their own=20
interesting ways? I should've known that.
>now forget about that. i should rather do some vehement anglo-saxon
>bashing as any true patriot does ;-).
>as we french conlangers pointed it when we last met :
>native speaking conlangers will always take english structure for grante=
d
>whereas it is very refined, concise and exotic to most romance speakers.
>i think Jennifer should consider a language she knows where she can't sa=
y
>"i was awarded a prize" but rather must stick to
>"someone awarded a prize to me", although you can say also :
>"me, someone awarded a prize to me". i name it : french. in other words =
:
>"topicization : yes, oblique passive : no".
>or : "topic is no mandatory subject".
>now, english taught me that invaluable conlanging lesson :
>"whatever you want to be a subject, make it a voice otherwise you get=20
>tired".
>(be it a "under ...ing" or "with ....ing" circumlocution ;-).
>that's what i'm doing by now.
>
>mathias
>
What exactly do you mean "make it a voice"? I must not understand the ter=
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"voice."
Jennifer
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