Re: USAGE: Glottal stop for /t/ (was Re: 2nd person pronoun for

John Cowan wrote:


>Roger Mills scripsit:
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>> >don't have nasal plosion....
>> Not quite sure what you mean by this.....
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>This is Ladefoged's term for a stop that is released by opening the
>nasal rather than the oral passage, which is how I pronounce "button"
>and friends.
Ah, OK.  That's true for me, too. Though there can be a difference between
[bV?n=] and [bVt|n=] (or perhaps [bV?t|n=] for this last, where the [?t|] is
a single movement, then released nasally).....Seems to be a matter of
timing-- when the tongue moves to the alveolar ridge.  Very hard to
transcribe IMO.

I suppose "nasal plosion" accounts for things like (reported) German
|sieben| ['zibm=] or |sagen| ['zaGN=]; or caricatured Black speech |heaven|
['hEbm=]??

In the Clinton, Fenton, muntin words, I suspect the velum remains open from
the initial-syl.  vowel onwards, so it's debatable whether the final [@n] or
[n=] is a real [n] or a [t] with nasal plosion.  I'm sure that, face to
face, I could produce clearly differentiated ['klI~?n=] vs. ['klI~t|n=] for
you. (The former is definitely faster fast speech than the latter...or it
may be that I'm just weird :-)) )
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