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Re: Hi to the Ukraine from Tokyo

From:Vasiliy Chernov <bc_@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 28, 2001, 18:06
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:04:18 +0200, Y.Penzev <yitzchaq@...> wrote:

>Re: Pavel Iosad on Saturday, November 24, 2001 9:02 AM > >> Russian: ['k'ij@f] - where the second apostrophe marks the palatalization >of >> the [k], and the second one is the stress. >> Ukrainian: ['kyjiv] - where [y] is the unrounded [u] thing (what's the >> symbol?) > >Pavel, sorry, a tiny mistake: >Russian would be ["k'ijif] - palatal (!) reduction.
Not [i], either. Not in my 'New Moscovite' dialect, at any rate. It's the same sound as in _volja_ ('will', nominative), as opposed to _voli_ (same, genetive); and these two forms sound definitely different, with me. The vowel is not especially narrow and can be classified as 'fronted central' rather than 'front'. I think this is what Pavel meant. And I don't want to know who Roman Jakobson is ;)
>Ukrainian is ["ke<retr>jiw] - Ukr. /y/ is a front (!) vowel, similar to Fr. >/é/ in 'bébé', and /v/ has an allophone /w/ in auslaut and before the
...consonants, I guess... listserv goes on cutting lines on me... To my ears, Ukrainian {y} sounds more-less identical with English [I] in _give_. No? Basilius, adding *4* dashes: - - - -


Y.Penzev <yitzchaq@...>