Re: Name that case

Mark J. Reed wrote:
> You are (as usual) correct.  I was thinking of the dative of
> separation, but that goes with verbs that have *merged* with ab-,
> rather than instances of the actual preposition.
Right. Yes, personally I'm not convinced by the "dative of separation"
label given by some grammarians. IMO it's nothing other an indirect object.

A common construction with compound verbs in Latin is for the compound
to take both accusative and dative arguments. The accusative depends on
the 'verb' part of the compound, and the dative on the prefix, so to
speak, irrespective of what case the prefix might govern (either
accusative or ablative) when used as an independent preposition.

It has long seemed to me that this is simply the compound treating its
two arguments as direct and indirect objects. IMO the labeling of
datives with different compound verbs as dative of this, that or the
other is an unnecessary (and linguistically unwarranted) complication.
Therefore.....
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
 > Take a look at these two sentences:
 >
 > A) I gave the book TO YOU.
 > B) I received the book FROM YOU.
 >
 > In sentence A, "to you" would take the dative case. In sentence B, "from
 > you" would take a different case (I know there is a proper name, but I
 > can't remember what it is.)

As Mark said - it's the 'ablative'.

 > The conlang I am working on uses the same case in both sentences,
 > basically "the second party involved in an act of transferral, neither
 > the agent nor patient of the verb." Is there a proper name for this
 > case?

This seems quite sensible to me. I'd just regard (TO/FROM) YOU in your
examples sentences as indirect objects in your language and simply call
the case 'dative.'

Ray
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