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Re: THEORY: derivation question

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Thursday, March 25, 1999, 7:31
"Raymond A. Brown" wrote:
> True at present - but it won't stop someone coining such a word if s/he > feels like it. A hundred years ago 'normality' was the only "legitimate" > abstract noun derived from 'normal' - you couldn't say 'normalcy'. Now > 'normalcy' may be found, especially when talking of political or economic > circumstances.
True. And as I pointed out later, changes can occur.
> But I got the impression that Patrick was more concerned with the sort of > problem of how we know that, e.g. 'father' is cognate with Latin 'pater', > Irish 'athair' etc all being derived from PIE *p@te:r
Yeah, I think maybe you're right.
> But if you want to make > the thing 'more realistic' or to have it regarded, at least by some people, > as a serious undertaking then, I'm afraid, some syste, is required. There > isn't _a system_ that one can just apply. The way languages have evolved > differs quite a bit. But the thing to do is to develop a system.
Of course, you can always have doublets or triplets, as with English scatter/shatter, where one is a native word, with the Anglo-Saxon pattern of changes from whatever the original form was, and the other is borrowed from Old Norse with its own patter of changes. I have several of those in Watya'i'sa, mostly in the form of pitch-patterns. For instance, saga' means "to speak", while saga` means "to prophesy". The grave indicates that suffixes are in low pitch. In the main dialect, almost all verbs ended with a level pitch, i.e., saga'u'dh = I speak, the pitch remains high. But in a few dialects, falling verbs became common, and some were borrowed into the main dialect, often with a slight difference in meaning, so that saga'udh means "I prophesy". -- "It's bad manners to talk about ropes in the house of a man whose father was hanged." - Irish proverb http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/X-Files http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/Books.html ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-name: NikTailor