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Re: new font creator

From:Remi Villatel <maxilys@...>
Date:Sunday, January 11, 2004, 5:37
michael poxon wrote:

> As you divine, I'm no fan of the Japanese syllabary - I much prefer Amharic.
Neither am I. I find it over-complicated. I never can remember the symbols.
> Omeina has both above- and below- diacritics, generally based on purely > calligraphic principles. Writing in Omeina is seen as an art rather than as > a functional means of communication.
Apparently, the (even undefined) conculture which goes with your conlang is a relatively primitive culture. On the contrary, my conculture is a futuritisc one. Writing by hand is very important, even if my aliens seldom do it because of all their computers. I do it for them. ;-) I write lines of the same symbol until I find the definitive shape, then I grab my mouse.
> The only permissible CVC sequences are > when C2 = l, n or r, and there is a diacritic which shows this.
[---CUT---] My syllabary allows much more freedom thanks to the mute vowel and its clusters. I can have CVC(v), SVC(v), CCVC(v) CSVC(c), CVS(v) and CCVS(v). (I'm not sure if SVS(v) and CSVS(v) should be allowed.)
> To your sentence: > some of the symbology I found a bit confusing - are you using the IPA or > some version of it, since I notice the words are enclosed in square brackets
[---CUT---] Well, in Mozilla when you enclose something in between slashes, it appears as italic. A well known behavior of mail software from the old days of BBS glory. And that was illegible... I just changed the font and it's not a problem anymore. Any way, I always use X-SAMPA on the list, even in between square brackets which are IPA style. So [t_h] is an aspirated [t]. And [j] is the german one. The double parenthesis is a mistake; I mixed Branner's ASCII IPA with X-SAMPA. I was meant to represent a top ligature. X-SAMPA's one (the underscore) is confusing. Is [k_w] a labialized [k] or [k]+[w] with a ligature? Well, I'm still working on the way to phoneticize my alien conlang and I think that I will make the whole thing as simple as possible. teoth'ska tökyoe jishso ; göko ; teoth'ra tökyoe dötvëe. /teot_h^ska: tO.kwoe /gOkO/ /teot_h^xa: tO.kwoe dO.tvEe/ >That
> said, the grammar looks interesting,
It's an all-noun conlang.
> and our syllabaries don't appear to be > too different - unsurprising I suppose, given that syllabaries will only > tend to work with certain phonetic structures.
Generally, syllabaries always contain CV symbols plus diacritics of some sort which may include the V symbols. Not much imagination is allowed...
> I can understand your confusion over the Omeina symbols for n and a. They > are alike, apart from the fact that a is always preceded by two dots (a > colon if you will),
Come on! I know you can do better than this! ;-)
> but your analysis is excellent considering the material > you had to work with!
[---CUT---] My super-IQ serves some purpose once in a while. It was so easy... :-)
> The basic form of any > symbol is the "consonant+a" version,
[---CUT---] Very common amongst the natlangs. I don't know why I followed the japanese way instead of having a default vowel. Maybe am I more jealous of it than disliking it?
> Can I see your > syllabary? I think they are the natural way to write a language!
Please, I haven't seen it in action yet! I finished the font only yesterday and don't even know if it will work as expected (although I think so). Wait until monday and I may have something online just for you. Until then, go here: You'll see a lot of (natlang's) syllabaries amongst other interesting scripts. I inspired me from none of them cause I wanted something really alien but they inspired me unconsciously or maybe by precognition. Manipuri has symbols that look like some I invented years before to know this script existed, at a time my script was still alphabetic. And that little circle in between symbols! It's so shaquean! (Although it has no phonetic value in shaquelingua, it's only a grammatical symbol.) I really like Manipuri... except its diacritics system. See ya, ===================== Remi Villatel =====================


michael poxon <m.poxon@...>