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Re: preliminary conjugation in ju:dajca

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 17:19
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:59:06 +0100 Christophe Grandsire
<Christophe.Grandsire@...> writes:
> Pretty neat conjugation :) . > I don't think those forms could really produce confusions. > Their contexts > would certainly be very different (like the absence of object for the > passive form).
. Thanks! I was thinking of having the preposition for passive "by" be a grammaticalized(?) derivative of the ablative of "hands", parallel to Hebrew _`al yedey_, "by (lit. 'on') (the) hands of", probably with something tacked on the end from _de_.
> >Also, the only difference between active and passive 1st person is > the > >existence or lack of the offglide [w] - maybe keeping the -R (>L) ?
> The problem is that if you eliminate the L for amâmul, you > shouldn't have > it for amo. Also, even if you keep the L, final L easily becomes an > offglide [w], which would then make both forms identical :) . And > anyway, > it would make a nice parallel with the fourth person if the first was > identical in passive and active too :) . > I'd vote for amô / amo and amâmu /amâmu (do you have û? you > could maybe > have amâmû / amâmu by analogy with the first person? - I may be > wrong, I don't remember the pronunciations -).
> Christophe Grandsire
. Well, the Latin had an ending -R. In Jûdajca, syllable-final /r/ becomes /l/, and at the same time syllable final /l/ becomes /w/, which differentiates into /v/ or /f/ if it doesn't get absorbed into /o(w)/ or /u(w)/. So, taking the R and making it into an L and then into a [w] would be rushing through too many shifts at once...that's why the infinitives end in L, and not F (<W<L<R). Although, the R of the infinitives isn't originally final, since the E has to fall off first. So i guess the R could go all the way....hmm... If the R of "amor" simple falls off, leaving the opposition amô / amo, and then analogy addes [w] to the end of active "amâmu".... Ohwait, that's what you said! Thanks, i'll go with that! amô | amo amâ | amâri ama | amâtu amâmû | amâmu amâti | amâmîn aman | amant So, verbs in -ÂL, in the present indicative have the following endings: active ~ -ô | -â | -a | -âmû | -âti | -an passive ~ -o | -âri | -âtu | -âmu | -âmîn | -ant And the stress falls on the penultimate syllable, except for -âmîn, where it's on the last syllable. In -ant, the stress is on the A of the ending, since the T is it's own syllable, [t@]. -Stephen (Steg) "Eze-guvdhab wa'hrikh-a tze, / "zhoutzii wa'esh," i eze-mwe."