Re: Conlang for giant caterpillars

Irina Rempt-Drijfhout wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 May 1999, Steg Belsky wrote:
>
> I wrote:
>
> > >lateral fricative.
> >
> > Is that the same thing as a "lateralized sibilant"?
>
> Yes, as far as I know. Kirshenbaum's ASCII IPA (that I use for the
> Valdyan speech sounds on my web page) has it als "s<lat>". Obviously,
> it can be approached from the 's' side as well as from the 'l' side.
>
> As Sally remarked in another message, it's indeed the Welsh 'll'
> sound. Valdyan also has it (I transliterate it 'lh'), and IIRC
> Teonaht too.
>
Ooooh YES!  I didn't study Welsh all those years not to pinch it
for Teonaht!  It's also in Old English, although we have no real
idea how it was pronounced... probably not very strongly, as it
dropped out:   hlaf  to loaf,  hleahtor  to laughter.  This may
have been a consonant cluster: /xl/.  Interestingly, though, I
pronounce ir very much like a softer Welsh "ll" when it probably should
have been more like "kl."  But there it is.

Sally