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Re: CXS changes

From:Tristan Mc Leay <conlang@...>
Date:Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 11:25
Andreas Johansson wrote:

>Various posters on this list, incl yours truly, have used [P] for the bilabial >fric on this list. Infact, yours truly is in this very moment thinking to >replace [p\] with [P] on his website to increase the weight of usage in favour >of a change to the CXS. > >
I think I may be guilty of the same, but through error and not intention, having learnt Kirsh before X-Sampa. I am fully in favor of this change. If the two currently proposed are implemented, we get: Stop Fric p P b B t T (dental) d D (dental) c C j\ J\ [Alternative proposal: j+ J\]* k x g G q X G\ R [Any proposals to replace the stop with <r>? :] ? h As you can see, the pattern would fully break down in everything from and behind the velars, but nothing can be done with them... * If this is adopted, it'd probably make sense for the as-yet unsymbolled unvoiced pharyngeal stop to be <x+>; its fricative is <X\>... I'm going to say, though, that a new modifier would want use before it gets added. PS: considering the <\ vs >\ pair, ?+ is no easier to remember than >\ (the angle bracket points in the direction of the curve of the question-mark-like letter). I imagine the problem with >\ is that, well, whoever uses an epiglottal fricative? Anyway, both >\ and ?+ are evil to begin with... PS: At the moment, there is insufficient agreement to do anything, except possibly move <P> to <p\>. My advice for those barracking for one thing or another: use it or lose it. -- Tristan

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