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Re: [wika] Boreanesian

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Thursday, May 18, 2000, 12:10
At 13:23 18/05/00 +0200, you wrote:
>I found another conlanger in another mailing-list called >WIKA. WIKA is a listed devoted to the discussion of Filipino >languages. The discussion I'm forwarding below was originally >posted at WIKA. But it has become more appropriate here at >CONLANG. I have asked Andre Militante to join the group. >Everyone, please welcome our newest Filipino member! >
Well, I hope Andre has already joined the group to hear my warm welcome :) . Anyway, welcome Andre! (Andre, it's a French first name you know. Do you have any French ancestry?)
> >There's also the conculture list. But I miss the more >scientific discussion prevalent in conlang. When it was >first created, I was hoping for discussions in >anthropology. But now it seems to have been reduced to >As-For-My-Conculture type discussions. How are the >discussions at the anthropology egroups list? >
Well, personally I would like to see anthropology discussions on Conculture-l, but I'm not sure I could follow them, knowing nothing about anthropology :) .
>>>>Yat has 7 vowels. I'm just gonna describe it here >>>>since I'm not familiar with a lot of linguistic >>>>jargon. 1) "a" like the Tagalog "a" ; 2) "ae" like >>>>the sound in "cat" in english; 3) "e" like the Tagalog >>>>"e" ; 4) "i" like the Tagalog "i" ; 5) "o" like the >>>>Tagalog "o" but with lips spread widely ( I was about >>>>to say that it sounds like the vowel sound in >>>>"caught", but I just remembered that its pronounced >>>>differently from English dialect to English dialect); >>>>6) "u" like the Tagalog "u" ; and 7) "" much like "u" >>>>but with lips spread widely. >> >>> That's not a lot of rounded vowels -- only vowel #6. >>> Most natural >>> languages have roughly as many rounded back vowels >>> as unrounded >>> front vowels. Otherwise, I love your liberal use of >>> unrounded back >>> vowels! I just can't get enough of them - which is >>> probably why I >>> like the sound of Mainland SEAsian languages and the >>> Northern >>> Philippine languages so much. >>
Well, Japanese has only one rounded vowel IIRC (a, i, e and u are unrounded, only o is rounded), so that's not that unnnatural. personnally I like very much unrounded back vowels but they are nearly too difficult for me to pronounce :) .
>>Thanks for saying that you love my liberal use of >>unrounded back vowels. In real life, I liberally use >>unrounded vowels. I barely move my mouth when I speak >>(this is true with whatever language I speak), so >>since I said that Yatland should be a reflection of >>me, the Yat language shouldn't have a lot of rounded >>vowel sounds. When I say the word "opo", many people >>say that I sound much like "apa" because of the way I >>spread my lips. Or when I say "ayun" I don't round my >>lips. It's definitely not a conscious act on my part >>to speak this way, it's just me, my idiolect, my way >>of speaking. Ever since I can remember, this is the >>way I speak. Funny thing, though, I'm the only one >>who speaks this way in my family. > >That must be an American thing. Not many back vowels in >American English dialects seem to have any rounding, >especially the phonemically laxed ones in 'put' and >'caught'. >
Now I understand why I keep having an accent when i speak English. i round all those back vowels (as for pronouncing them lax, it slowly becomes easier... but very slowly :( ). Christophe Grandsire |Sela Jemufan Atlinan C.G. "Reality is just another point of view." homepage : (ou :