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Re: Germanic and Celtic (was Re: Verb-second ... verb-penultimate languages?)

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Thursday, April 27, 2006, 5:58
Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> Hallo! > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:37:24 +0100, R A Brown wrote:
>>None of the ancient authors ever refers to any of the inhabitants of >>Britain & Ireland as Celts. Indeed, no one referred to anyone in these >>islands as Celtic until the 18th century. > > > Yes; however, Caesar noted the similarity between the languages of the Britons > and the Gauls. At any rate, "Celtic" is merely a term of convenience for a > group of related languages, and I think this relationship is established > beyond doubt.
That Gaulish and ancient British were similar seems certain. I do not know enough about Celtiberian to comment one way or another. But we went through this not so very long ago on this list.
> And there are worse misnomers, such as "Hittite" and > "Tocharian".
> >> Since then, however, the term >>has acquired overlays of all sorts mythic and political connotations >>that are unwarranted, so some of us are not entirely comfortable with >>this blanket term. > > > I see. There is lots of rubbish being published about the Celts.
Being & has been. I've seen at least one book that talks of 'Celtic Empire' stretching from Ireland to Galatia in Asia Minor - this monolithic structure all being ruled, of course, by druids (tho the only evidence we actually have for druids is confined to Britain & Gaul). So much baggage has attached itself to the term Celtic since it was adopted in the 18th for this linguistic & cultural continuum. Even its extent seems to increase; I have met people claiming, for example, that the Minoans were proto-Celts and that Georgia (in the Caucasus, not the US!) is Celtic! Ach y fi! -- Ray ================================== ================================== Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight, which is not so much a twilight of the gods as of the reason." [JRRT, "English and Welsh" ]