Re: Furrin phones in my own lect!

On 3/16/06, Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> wrote:
> Mark J. Reed wrote:
> > "Queen" may be /kwin/ phonemically, but it comes out as
> > [k_w_hi~J_}].
>
> Are you sure about that [J]?? Personally, my tongue-tip ends up on the
> alv.ridge.  (Uh-oh, feels like YAEPT......?)
Well, it depends on what comes next.  In isolation, the preceding [i]
palatalizes the [n].  When there's a following vowel, I get a release
on the [n] and it's not palatalized, at least not by the time of the
release.  Apparently my tongue does some quick moving to get things
cleaned up by the time the closure is released.

> The only oddity I've noticed (and only in the past few years) is that many
> of us actually have a French [H] in |situation| ...
Hm.  [H] is IPA [ɥ], yes?  (Which is damn confusing.  I would have
made [H] equivalent to IPA [ʜ]; there should be a universal rule of
IPA->CXS that small caps become simple uppercase.)

I'm not sure how to interpret the description of that sound; my best
guess is that [i] is to [j] as [u] is to [w] as  [y] is to [H], which
would make [H] sort of intermediate between [j] and [w].  Essentially
it's a labialized [j] or palatalized [w].  Is that correct?

 > Re "hors d'oeuvres" (sp?)-- many years ago I heard a guy do a country-ish
> ditty that began "How'bout them whore doobers, ain't they a treat/ little
> piece-a cheese, little piece-a meat...." :-))))))
Heh.