Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?

Dadgum palatalization! First it took <c>, now <k> - we're running out
of unambiguous symbols for [k] here. :)



On 8/14/08, Lars Mathiesen <thorinn@...> wrote:
> 2008/8/13 Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>:
>> Danish doesn't have it.  Icelandic has /c/ for _g_
>> and /c_h/ for _k_ before front vowels and Faroese
>> has /tS/ (or perhaps /ts\/ w/o aspiration under
>> like circumstances.  Norwegian usually spells /s\/
>> with _kj_, though not before _i_ or _y_. BTW
>> Finland Swedish has [ts\] (Pinyin <q>) where
>> Sweden Swedish has [s\] and [s\] where Sweden
>> Swedish has [X].  English speakers can safely
>> use [tS] for /s\/ and [S] for [X] **and** [s`].
>
> A curious thing is that until early 20th century or so, Danish used to
> have orthographic kj- and gj- before front vowels where there is only
> k- and g- now. And no traces of palatalization in the standard
> dialect.
>
> I've only made half-hearted attempts to find out why, so I can't
> really tell you. But maybe it was an attempt to maintain uniformity
> with Norwegian -- the old 'bokmål' was almost identical with Danish in
> spelling, but not in pronunciation, and having Danes ignore the -j-
> and the Norwegians use it as a palatalization marker is sort of neat
> if that was what was going on.
>
> On the other hand, the old Copenhagen speech was part of a coastal
> dialect continuum with Skåne and Bornholm dialects, and may have had
> palatalization -- it is very apparent on Bornholm. (It was replaced by
> a mix of inland Zealand dialects that became the standard language).
>
> --
> Lars
>>
>> /BP
>>
>
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