Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?

Oh, old-fashioned palatalisation! I embarrass myself. :\
I tried learning Swedish once, when I thought I was possibly going for a
European Studies major, specifically in Sweden. It was quite exciting to
learn a non-Sinitically related language that was somewhat tonal! But alas,
that was about two years back and I've forgotten most of what I'd learnt.
Though I still remember things like "Talar du svenska?" and "tvo öl, tack"
(don't ask!). (:

Then my parents advised me it was too narrow a major, so nothing became of
it.

There is a problem with my internet connection thyat lets me access my
email, but nothing on the web. Unfortunately that means I can't see Henrik's
converter at all. :(

Eugene

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>wrote:
>
>
> It has nothing to do with [rk].  As you have observed [rs]
> becomes [s`] (Pinyin <sh>) in most Swedish dialects, but
> there is also a much older sound change whereby [k] before
> front vowels became [s\] (Pinyin <x>) before front vowels, to be sure by
> way of [ts\] (Pinyin <q>) which is preserved in some dialects.  Note that
> the [r] is still intact in
> [nor's\2:piN] (as it is pronounced in my lect, alveolar
> trill and all! :-) If I were to dare to spell _Norrköping_
> in Pinyin it would be "nor-xe-ping" or "nor-qe-ping".
> NB the writing system doesn't mark either sound change :-(.
> This leads to minimal pairs sometimes, due to later loan
> words with velars before front vowels.
>
> If you find CXS hard, have a look at Hentrik's site
> <http://www.theiling.de/ipa/>.  There's even a
> two-way CXS <-> Unicode IPA converter!
>
>
>
> /BP 8^)>
> --
> Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient
>  à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil
>  ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*,
>  c'est qu'elles meurent."           (Victor Hugo)
>