Re: New Try from a New Guy

On Saturday 14 December 2002 7:27 pm, Christian Thalmann wrote:
> --- In conlang@yahoogroups.com, Michael David Martin <mdmartin@i...> wrote:
>  >     So, here is what I have come up with:
>  >
>  > Consonants:
>  > Letter     SAMPA
>  > b             b
>  > d             d
>  > f              f
>  > g             g
>  > k              k
>  > l               l
>  > m             m
>  > n             n
>  > p             p
>  > r              r
>  > s             s
>  > sh           S
>  > t              t
>  > th            T
>  > v             v
>  > w             w
>  > y              j
>
> Looks workable.
>
> Do /s/ and /T/ have [z] and [D] as allophones, or are they
> always [s] and [T]?
>
>  > Letter     SAMPA
>  > i          I
>  > ih         i
>  > u          u
>  > uh         3
>
> That feels a tad inconsistent...  in the first pair, you're
> using the modifier "h" to make a lax /I/ into a tense /i/,while
> in the second pair the "h" makes a tense /u/ into a lax /3/.
> You might wanna settle for a single function of "h".
>
> To simplify things, you could use English conventions for the
> vowel phonemes, e.g. "i" for /I/ and "ee" for /i/...  unless,
> of course, you want the language to look deliberately non-English
> when written in the Latin alphabet (have you considered giving
> the language a native script yet?).
Ack, ack, ack!

English is irritating, sorry, I just had to put that....

I advise...

'e' /e/
'eh' /E/
'i'/i/
'ih' /I/
>  > 1. Is it reasonable to have the diphthongs [aI], [OI], and [aU] even
>
> though
>
>  > I do not have  the individual sounds of [a], [O] or [U]?
>
> Yes.  American English has the diphthongs [aI], [aU], [eI], [oU]
> but not [a], [e], [o] by themselves.
>
>  > 2. But if I write /3/ how does someone
>  > else know that [@], [3], [6] and [V] are all included?
>
> If you're just going for a general unarticulated central sound,
> I'd suggest to use /@/ to represent it.  [@\], [3], [3\], [6]
> etc are basically just "flavored" versions of the schwa [@].
> I don't think any language distinguishes between those
> phonemically (although Portuguese has two separate unstressed
> central sounds: [1] and [6]).
>
>
>

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