Re: ontology of glottalized segments?

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:27:37 -0600, Dirk Elzinga <dirk_elzinga@...>
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 2004, at 12:00 AM, Thomas R. Wier wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Does anyone know any phonetic or phonological facts about how
>> glottalized consonants arise?  I've heard that acoustically they
>> sometimes are treated as "hypervoiceless".  I'm trying to come
>> up with a way for them to arise naturally in Phaleran historical
>> phonology without having to make reference to borrowings from
>> C'ali, which, of course, has plenty of them, and would thus be too
>> easy.
>>
>> (Dirk, do you know?)
>
>I don't. Paul already mentioned the only bits that I'm familiar with,
>namely the Sindhi implosives which are the result of "hypervoicing"
>(you actually get a reversal of airflow if you hold a voiced stop long
>enough -- hence, an implosive). I don't know how a language would
>develop a glottalized series from something else, but here's a thought.
>In some varieties of English (no, I'm not starting YAEPT), syllable
>final stops are pre-glottalized: [k_h&?t] 'cat'. In allegro speech, the
>supralaryngeal gesture may be absent altogether, giving [k_h&?]. If
>there were a following morph which began with a voiceless stop, it
>doesn't seem too far-fetched to attach the constricted glottis gesture
>to the stop and get a glottalized consonant. I'm emphatically *not*
>saying this happens in English. But in a parallel universe, English'
>(English-prime) might develop this feature.
I paged through Fallon's book on ejectives, but he doesn't really
speculate on how they might have arisen in most languages - the one
that he does, Yapese, one of only two Austronesian lgs to have
ejectives, got them from vowel loss:

CV? -> C? ~ C'

Offhand I don't know what the conditions were for vowel loss, or
whether Yapese can have ejectives in initial position (it has them
in medial and final).

He does mention a phenomenon in Bella Coola where underlying V?C can
have varying surface realizations VVC/V:C with a long vowel or VC'
with a short vowel and ejective.

Fallon also makes a distinction (cross-linguistically) between strong
and weak (or fortis/lenis) ejectives - strong/fortis ejectives have
a noticeable 'pop' and a longer Voice Onset Time (the time between
the release of the stop and the beginning of the vowel), while weak/
lenis ejectives have a short VOT and may become plain or creaky-voiced
or implosive stops diachronically. No known language contrasts weak
and strong ejectives, but daughters of a language that had ejectives
might show such a contrast.

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:40:38 +0100, And Rosta <a.rosta@...> wrote:

>Glottalized stops (i.e. glottal-oral) are the realization of coda
>(or foot-internal) /ptk/ in Geordie (Newcastle) and are at least
>an allophone of coda /ptk/ in some accents of the North of England
>(e.g. Yorkshire) &, I believe, New York City. But I am not aware of
>any accent that has a three way surface *contrast* between [d] [t]
>and [t']/[t^?], but conceivably -- I've never checked -- it might
>found in "pig it" : "picket" : "pick it".
On an old recording of Woody Allen doing his stand-up routine
(probably dating to the late 50s or early 60s) he produces very
clear ejectives at the ends of some words in pre-pausal position,
particularly with final /k/, but I can't recall if he does it in
mid-sentence. If I can find the recording, I'll have to go back
and check, but my suspicion is that it is largely a pre-pausal/
sentence-final phenomenon.

Bfowol

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