Re: a provocative question

And I am a none-too-humble Garamut (slit-drum) player - or a kundu (hand-held
waisted drum) player - thumping away rhythmically, trying to recapture the
polyrhythmic music of my Sepik childhood.

No-one special, nothing spectacular, just a pain in the arse for people trying
to get some sleep, or a source of amusement in the park.

Wesley Parish

On Tuesday 01 April 2003 10:27 pm, you wrote:
> en mem0 2003 KE/4208 sijn0 : 03: 31 12:32:03 PM/g0g0, Jonathan
>
> (j_knibb@HOTMAIL.COM)  graeffii:
> >A provocative question that occurred to me just now:
> >
> >If Zamenhof was the J. S. Bach of conlangers ...
> >(founding father of modern conlanging, created for use as well as
> >beauty, high value on logical structure)
>
>     Oh don't be sexist... St. Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179)
> is the Bach in this kind of conlang metaphor IMHO... & I
> definitely count her as a "modern." She was waaay ahead of her time
> - like Di Vinci.
>     Zamenhof was more the Rachminov ;)
>
> >...and Tolkien was the Mozart of conlangers...
> >(appeal to technical and lay audiences, elevated common features to
> >high art)
>
>     No no... Latino Sine Flexione's Giuseppe Peano is the Mozart.
>     Tolkien is the adventurous pastoralist Percy Granger (I was gonna say
> Britten... but that just doesn't sound right).
>     Volapuk's Schleyer is conlanging's Beethoven (both were deaf ;).
>     Klingon's Okrand is the Wagner.
>     Novial's Jesperson is Debussy.
>     James Joyce is Satie.
>     Dada's Hugo Ball is Hugo Ball.
>     Gestuno's USC/WFD (Unification of Signs Commission of the World
> Federation of the Deaf) is the Marcel Duchamp [Duchamp composed _some_
> music before chess became his overwhelming obsession]
>     Basic English's Ogden is the neo-classicist Hindemith.
>     Interlingua's IALA  (International Auxilary Language Ass'n) is the
> elitist Milton Babbitt.
>     Interglossa's Lancelot Hogben & Herman Miller tie for the mystical,
> nature-loving Messiaen.
>     Glosa's Wendy Ashby and Ron Clark is the idealistic and dogmatic
> Karlheinz Stockhausen.
>     gloneo's rusel jaque is the "poet of chance operations" John Cage.
>     Zengo's Richard Harrison is the "master of musical cultural blending"
> Lou Harrison (Dirk!, thanx for comparing me to Harrison - er, Lou Harrison.
> BTW I am not quite that fond of Esperanto as Lou Harrison was)
>     Vorlin's Richard Harrison & Tepa's Dirk E. tie for the microtonalist
> Harry Partch.
>     Whoever came up with Eurolengo is the all-too-visible minimalist Philip
> Glass.
>         "          "    "     "   NeoSanskrit is the all-too-invisible
> minimalist Terry Riley.
>         "         did GeaVakKrit is the understated, masterful minimalist
> La Monte Young.
>     Maggel's Christophe Grandsire is both the stochastically scientific
> Xenakis and the wildly schizo-musical John Zorn.
>     Teonaht's Sally Caves is the semi-reclusive, aesthetically elegant
> infrasound composer MaryAnne Amacher.
>
> >...with which composer would you identify yourself?
>
>     g0miileg0's Hanuman Zhang is both the musical culture-mutator Tan Dun
> and the "hyper, UberDada of Dutch free jazz improvisation" Han Bennick ;)
>
> ---
> Hanuman Zhang
> €º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø,~->
>
>     "In the beginning was noise - raw sound,
> the seed sound, the One, _Nada Brahma_,
> the Big Bang. And noise begat rhythm. And
> rhythm begat everything else. And thus the
> Dance began. Rhythm and noise. There is ter-
> ror in noise, and in that terror there is also
> power." - adapted from writings by Mickey Hart
>
> "I have the feeling that the English word 'noise' has
> more negative connotations than our German word
> 'Gerausch'.  We would describe the sound of wind
> blowing as Gerausch, to imply that it's a beautiful
> and natural sound.  It's so stupid when people say
> that instead of making beautiful sounds, I make
> noise...I like these sounds and this has nothing to do
> with 'anti-beauty'" - Helmut Lachenmann
>
>     = diff3rrenzii ent3ra kak0 aen mjuuzika semii-tem paen en juu kaepii. =
>
>     (Difference between noise and music semi-time all in you head)
>
>     Sometimes the difference between noise and music is all in your head
>
> NADA BRAHMA - Sanskrit, "sound [is the] Godhead"
>
> LILA - Sanskrit, "divine play/sport/whimsy" - "the universe is what happens
> when God wants to play" - "joyous exercise of spontaneity involved in the
> art of creation"
>
> "If you're going to explore uncharted territory,
> it's okay to carry a compass, but not a map." - Derek Bailey
>
> "...improvisation is about change, about flux rather than stasis. ...  you
> have to be aware of the fact that improvisation is about a constant
> change." - Steve Beresford
>
> "I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas.
> I'm frightened of the old ones." - John Cage
>
> "Ride music beam back to base." - William S. Burroughs
>
>     improvvisazione liquida, sospesa temporalmente e profondamente "aliena"
--
Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?"
You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."