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Re: a provocative question

From:Jonathan Knibb <j_knibb@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 18:36
What a wonderful set of responses!  Thank you guys, keep them coming.
Interesting that the first people to reply were the professional
linguists.  Czhang, it would be superfluous for me to comment on your
amazing and very well-informed list, but I really think you hit the
nail on the head with Grainger for Tolkien.

Jan wrote:
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Linking Tolkien to a composer is even more difficult. I don't think Mozart works here, but it is not easy to find an alternative. After all, Tolkien's musical equivalent ought to be a Romantic, whose music is basically a priori, even though he allows himself to be influenced by the exotic, and mellifluous. Therefore, I would hesitate between Robert Schumann, Claude Debussy, and Olivier Messiaen. <<< I admit my connections were a little glib. I beg to disagree with each of your JRRT ideas though :) ... Debussy and Messiaen are two of my favourite composers, and neither would have occurred to me for Tolkien. I see what you mean about their individualism and a-priori- ness, but actually I don't think of Tolkien's languages as being particularly a priori. OK, they're not directly derived from natlangs, but he explicitly acknowledged his strong natlang influences, while both French composers broke with tradition much more radically than Tolkien did, IMHO. On the other hand, you could say that Messiaen drew his inspiration from nature, just as Tolkien did. But Tolkien didn't have the luxury of being able to inspect other people's conlangs as we do, so I'd consider that his natlang influences are more closely analogous to musical influences than to natural ones. Another reason for my disagreeing with you is that I wanted to be Messiaen. :)) looking forward to more of this thread, Jonathan. [reply to jonathan underscore knibb at hotmail dot com] -- 'O dear white children casual as birds, Playing among the ruined languages...' Auden/Britten, 'Hymn to St. Cecilia'