Teoh wrote:
> > AGT imin imï ymin ymï
> Hmm. I always thought that near a nasal consonant, vowels are always
> (unconsciously) nasalized? (Unless you're saying it quite slowly, of
> course.) Or is that just a phenomenon in some languages, not all?
Well. It is slightly nasalized in _imin_, but it's much more
nasalized in _imï_. Plus _imin_ is pronounced ['ImIn] and _imï_
[I'mi~], that is, the {n} is dropped and the stress changed.
> > PAT im ï ym ÿ
> Cool! Roundedness differentiates between singular and plural. I like
> that idea :-) (Umm... assuming your /y/ is [y] of course.)
Yup. Nasal {ÿ} is [y~] and non-nasal {y} is [Y].
This roundness distinction in plural - singular is also present
in full NPs. It all depends on which vowel was used for plural
long ago and then caused umlaut. The plural was either _-u_ or
_-i_. Very much like Celtic and Germanic langs:
1. _teil_ < tel-i
2. _nenyr_ < nenur-i
3. _nönur_ < nenur-u
4. _nyn_ < nin-u
Something like that. _nenyr_ might possibly be _nönyr_ as well
in some dialects. {ö} being [2]. This is crashing a bit with
{¨} marking nasality. Perhaps nasal o is marked with ~ -> {õ}.
Or [2] could be written {ø} instead of {ö}, but I like {ö} better.
> > 2SG 2PL
> > OLD NEW OLD NEW
> > AGT lin lï lyn lÿ
> Interesting. In my mothertongue, [li] is the 2SG pronoun, though
> it has mutated into [lu] around the time of my father's generation.
My friend Josefin pointed out that 1p contained /m/ making it
look similar to most European langs. This is however purely
coincidental. Regarding /l/ in Hokkien (or Mandarin?), I had no
clue. Cool! So where in the world do they have /t/ in 3p? :-)
> > 1SG 1PL 2SG 2PL 3SG 3PL
> > AGT imï ymï lï lÿ utï ytï
> Hmm. Your 1st person pronouns look very similar to my conlang's 1SG
> pronouns:
>
> Masc. Fem. Epi./Neut.
> Org. e'b0 [?&bA] `yb0' [ybA] ib0' [?ibA]
> Rcp. e'bu [?&bu] `ybu' [ybu] ibu' [?ibu]
> Instr. e'ba [?&ba] `yba' [yba] iba' [?iba]
> Cvy. e'b3 [?&bV"] `yb3' [ybV"] ib3' [?ibV"]
> Loc. e'bi [?&bi] `ybi' [ybi] ibi' [?ibi]
How is _imï_ similar to these? Or do you mean all AGT pronouns?
VCV, initial {i} or {y}? Yeah, I see the similarities. Swadesh
anyone? :-P
daniel
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