Re: PoS & heretics (was: Cases and Prepositions (amongst others))

CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU writes:
>I happened to find a paper by Paz B. Naylor-- a native speaker who taught
>Tag. at Michigan-- and I must say the discussion is far from clear. Of
>(a)"bahay na maganda" vs.(b) "magandang bahay" (both 'beautiful house')
>she
>says "Syntactically, _na maganda_ is an attribute of bahay in (a), and
>_-ng
>bahay_ is an attribute of maganda in (b), even if both....refer to the
>same
>concept of "house that is beautiful".  Later on, she translates
>differently:
>mabait na bata 'good child' vs.
>batang mabait 'child who is good'.  Also, batang tumatakbo 'child who is
>running' vs. tumatakbong bata 'running child'.   I wonder if this isn't
>similar to Spanish, when it can invert some (I don't think all)
>adjectives,
>effectively promoting the adj. to noun status-- un americano joven 'a
>young
>American' (an american who is young),  vs. un joven americano 'a young
>(male
>person)(who happens to be)  American'.  Whether you can invert, with the
>same sense, say, una casa vieja > una vieja casa, I'm not sure-- I have a
>feeling this is simply a way of emphasizing "old", if it's permitted at
>all.
Actually, i take back what I said about the order not changing the
meaning. I forgot that it does actually change it a bit. When the noun
comes before the adjective it usually translates to  "the thing that
is.......". I do recall reading this in one of my books. I believe when
you link a noun with an adjective it works the same way :

Ang ibong lumilipad ay binaril - the bird who was flying was shot at (ibon
- bird, linked to lumilipad - was flying)
>
>
>(Ever had durian?  FYI, a football size fruit with a nasty spiky rind
>(hence
>the name, <duri 'thorn') that reeks of very ripe Camembert, custardy
>texture, tastes sort of sweet/tart/rotten.  Some people are totally
>enthralled by it; I found it a non-event.  Better hotels, and the
>airlines,
>forbid them.)
>ObConlang:  colloquial/very informal  Kash would follow Indonesian;
>correctly, the 3d sing. marker ya- would appear on enak in 2 and 3.
I've seen them for sale in San Francisco's China Town at a market. A
friend and I picked one up and noted how sharp those spines are! I imagine
a cruel way to punish someone is to make them catch these things without
gloves. I dont think it was ripe yet, because I didnt notice a smell, but
I didnt feel like carrying this several pound thorny fruit around with me
all day. I hear in Singapore they are banned from subways because they can
smell so bad when ripe.

obconlang: Durians are called "Munalig" (from mun - prefix for things that
exhibit the trait the root is, but are inanimate,  and nalig - spine).

A sea urchin is probably: gongnalig (gong - prefix for something that does
the root, or exhibits the trait of the root, but is animate, plus nalig -
spine)


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