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Re: English [dZ]

From:John Vertical <johnvertical@...>
Date:Saturday, December 10, 2005, 12:56
Andreas Johansson wrote:
> >Quoting Tristan McLeay:
> > In the history of English, during a pre-English stage, the phoneme in > > Old English called /g/ most often had the realisation [G]. (As I > > understand it, during OE /g/ was only [G] around liquids.) Around front > > vowels, it was palatalised in Old English; this sound eventually merged > > with inherited /j/. I can't think of an cognates OTTOMH here.
Say, how does this fit together with the MnE soft g as in "ginger" etc? A 2nd wave of palatalization perhaps?
> > > Wouldn't have guessed that - I can see /j/ -> /Z/ -> /dZ/, but > > > /j/ -> /dZ/ -> /Z/ is not exactly a monotonic-feeling sequence. > > > > I presume there was a palatal stop in between, and probably also a > > palatal fricative... > >Still makes more sense than Spanish, which went something like >[j]->[dZ]->[Z]->[S]->[x] (->[h] in many dialects). > > Andreas
Whoa. Didn't know Spanish <j> went thru [dZ] too; I lived under the impression it was simply something like [j]>[C]>[x]. John Vertical

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