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Re: English [dZ]

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Sunday, December 11, 2005, 17:24
On 12/11/05, Alex Fink <a4pq1injbok_0@...> wrote:
> This isn't a distinction between old /ew/ and 'long u' in any dialect I know > of. It's just loss of the [j] after coronals, and it applies to both > spellings of [ju(:)]: > > |cute| [kjut], |lute| [lut] > |pew| [pju], |new| [nu]
Duh. Should have examined more examples. Thanks for the clarification; I clearly just hadn't thought about it much.
> I seem to recall that even this [ju(:)] (exceptions aside) is indeed derived > from ME /eu/ or /iu/, and the spelling |u| is motivated by French |u| = [y].
Similar to John's ideolect, then:
> My non-native dialect still keeps those two distinct (the former is /ju:/ or > /u:/ while the latter is /jy/ or /y:/), [...]
To which Jean-François replied:
> What? Are there really dialects of English with a high front rounded vowel? Where? And which > words are concerned?
AFAIK [y] does not occur in any native English dialects, but it does appear in non-native ideolects. IME it usually shows up in place of [ju] among some speakers who have [y] in their native lang. I guess it's a sort of vocalic palatalization effect? -- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>