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Re: CHAT: Galatians and Celts

From:BP Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Friday, April 7, 2000, 8:53
At 07:01 07.4.2000 +0100, Raymond Brown wrote:

>The terms Keltiberes, Keltoligyes etc are also IMO revealing. We know that >the Celtic langauge(s) and culture were acquired by (or imposed upon) >peoples of different origins. The early descriptions of Celts from Greek & >Roman writers talk of red-haired giants - and such types may still be >encountered in Scottish Highlands e.g. The Iberians were generally >described as short, swarthy dark-haired types. Read Tacitus' description >of the Silures and then visit south Wales - they are still very much in >evidence and similar types are familiar in southern Ireland. The >Keltiberes were not so much, I think, mixed Celtic & Iberians as Iberians >who had been celticized.
In fact there is a terminology of "Red Irish" and "Black Irish", but the former refers to a light-skinned and dark-haired "Mediterranean) type still very much in evidence, not least in old Gaul, but also on the coast of Norway and the Swedish west coast. The Belgae -- Fir Bolg in Old Irish -- were a sea-faring people controlling the important trade with tin and amber versus bronze in Bronze Age Europe, and it is not unreasonable to connect this strain with them; witness the importance of ships in the iconography of the Swedish-Norwegian Bronze-Age petroglyphs, which are concentrated on the same areas where this kind of looks is still prevalent. And of course any hard genetic-linguistic correlation is impossible to make, as speakers of English should be well aware! /BP B.Philip Jonsson <mailto:bpj@...>bpj@netg.se <mailto:melroch@...>melroch@my-deja.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ Anant' avanaute quettalmar! \ \ __ ____ ____ _____________ ___ __ __ __ / / \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /Melarocco\_ // /__/ // /__/ / /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine__ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ I neer Pityancalimeo\ \_____/ /ar/ /_atar Mercasso naan ~~~~~~~~~Cuinondil~~~\_______/~~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ || Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda cuivie aiya! || "A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien)