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Re: Phoneme winnowing continues

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:42
En réponse à Mark J. Reed :

>Just to make sure I have this right: > >"Uchyuu Senkan Yamato" has seven syllables (U/chyuu/sen/kan/ya/ma/to) >and ten morae (U/chyu/u/se/n/ka/n/ya/ma/to).
Indeed.
>Does this imply that the kana are not true syllabaries but actually >"moraries"? I mean, the Hiragana transcription of the above >has ten symbols, not seven.
Exactly! The kana do follow the moraic structure of Japanese texts very closely, rather than the syllabic structure. I suppose it's because everything else in Japanese is mora-based rather than syllable-based: pitch-accent position, poetry (haiku must have 17 morae), singing (I always have difficulties singing Japanese songs since I forget that the final 'n' always takes its own foot), etc... It only makes sense then if you go to a syllabic script to mark each mora with a single character, since the syllable itself doesn't have much of an existence in Japanese (it's only a "physical" property of normal connected speech, which truly pronounces long vowels as long vowels and final nasals as ends of syllable). Christophe Grandsire. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.

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