Re: Phoneme winnowing continues

On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:06:39 +0100 Joe <joe@...> writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Phoneme winnowing continues
>
>
> > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 01:08:41PM -0400, John Cowan wrote:
> > > Mark J. Reed scripsit:
> > >
> > > > (English has both sounds but they're not phonemically
> distinct;
> initial
> > > > and medial "th" is always [D] while final "th" is always
> [T])..
> > >
> > > It's not quite so simple, and there are minimal pairs like
> thy/thigh.
> >
> > D'oh!  I sit corrected.  I should have known it wasn't as simple
> as I
> > thought; this is English we're talking about. :)
> >
> > Now that I think about it, there's also [Dau] "thou (you
> singular)" vs.
> > [Tau] "thou (short for 'thousand')".  But that and thy/thigh are
> the only
> > minimal pairs I can think of.
>
> "thistle" and "this'll".  [TISl=] and [DISl=].  And maybe teeth and
> teethe
> [tiT] vs [tiD].
thistle/this'll is another one, but wouldn't it be "teeth" [tiT] and
"teethe" [ti:D]?

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