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Sorting out those phonetics.

From:Adrian Morgan <morg0072@...>
Date:Saturday, May 20, 2000, 3:38
This is in response to Kristian's posts. Sorry about not
being able to thread properly. (I've responded to some
other people privately - they are quite free to quote my

First, Kristian: you state somewhere that you've been to
Brisbane, which is _way_ over the other side of the
country. Sources that claim negligible phonetic variation
in this country should be taken with a truckful of salt.
It's only true when compared with, say, England. It isn't
at all true in an absolute sense. (And even at a given
locality we're a very mixed bunch, which I guess can be
traced to a high rate of interstate migration.)

Basically, if your observations are based on Queensland
vowels, they are certainly not reliable. And many of
them, I can see at a glance that they are not correct.
I most emphatically do not mean to be rude and/or
dismissive, but I can't consider any statement to be
authorative unless it's written by someone who has
spoken to me directly. To this end I would certainly
consider suggestions for a phone appointment.

> [a:] -> cart, [a:] -> father, [&i] -> bait, > Your confusing [E] and [&] again. In American, > 'bait' is [beit]. In Australian, its [bait].
Definately not, b(ai)t = c(a)t ---> (ea)t I'm now of the opinion that bait and bite end with [I] not [i].
> Probably because Australian English does not have the > vowel quality [I]. Where other English dialects have > [I], Australia uses [i].
Not true, I say! 'Eat' and 'It' are distinctly different. I know that in Tasmania they use [i] in place of [I], so maybe it's the same in Queensland.
> The glide in the diphthong if 'boat' is also > centralized (i.e. [u-]). Thus, 'boat' is in Australia > a [bOu-t]. I have heard some Australians front the > glide further to [y], hence [bOyt]. I suppose in some > Australian dialects, they would say [ba\u-t] <-here I > have replaced your [V] with [a\].
The use of [O] in this context is peculiar to what we call the _strong_ Aus accent, which foreigners use to make fun of us (generally we don't mind). Some people do speak that way but it's not representative of the population. [Oy] sounds very peculiar to Queensland. Can we agree that it's somewhere in the vicinity of [@u] and leave the fine-tuning open-ended for now?
> The Australian vowel system according to my texts and > what I have personally heard myself consists of the > following. (I don't know if there are dialectal > differences within Australia, but this is based on > what I have heard in Brisbane, Queensland):
Well there are certainly dialectal differences. Your post is valuable I suppose as a discussion of the Queensland dialect, but it doesn't apply to me, sorry.
> There is also [Ai], contrasting with [ai], as in; > 'Its a nice [dai] to[dAi]'.
Sorry but these are same, both being what I suggested is [&I] and what you're claiming is [EI] (or [Ei]).
> Don't you pronounce 'day' and 'die' differently? I'm > sure you do.
Let's agree to let /&/ be [&] or [E], just for discussion's sake. Likewise let /a/ be [a] or [a\]. day = /d&I/ die = /daI/ Again, I would consider arranging a phone appointment should anyone be interested in settling these questions once and for all. Adrian.