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Re: Save of the dative, the genitive's is already dead!

From:# 1 <salut_vous_autre@...>
Date:Sunday, June 12, 2005, 3:30
Carsten Becker wrote:

>Hello all, > >My dad recently got angry about the question why the genitive disappears >more and more in German. I didn't know the reason or if there is a >comparable process in other languages. However, the genitive can be >replaced by a dative construction in all places in spoken language.
I don't speak German but I think that it is similar to something in French The preposition "de" when it marks the genive can be replaced by "à" that usually marks the dative My father's car = La voiture de mon père ~ La voiture à mon père Is it similar to what you think that happens in German?
>This >has become more and more popular over the years so that most people >(including me) don't use the genitive anymore except in 'formal' >environments such as school or in writing.
It's the same for me concerning "de" and "à" in French
>Hence the saying "Save of the >dative, the genitive's is already dead!". >Another question (my question) is, why the conjunction "weil" >("because", also governing genitive case!) developed towards triggering >SVO in the following undoubtly subordinate clause, although the standard >word order in subordinate clauses is SOV. > >Thanks, >Carsten
- Max

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