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Re: Locative constructions in a:seka`eni (long)

From:James W. <emindahken@...>
Date:Thursday, August 10, 2006, 2:50
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:25:38 -0400, "Roger Mills" <rfmilly@...> said:
> James W. wrote: > > > > I'm currently working on the locative constructions in > > > > a:seka`eni. ... > > > > I found a really interesting paper by Marcus > > > > Kracht, "On the Semantics of Locatives (2000)" describing > > > > them as consisting of a configuration and a mode ... > > I haven't read the paper yet, but it's a very interesting system, and you > presented it well.
Thanks. Definitely still needs work, though.
> In addition to oddities/questions raised by others, my immediate thought > was: > > How to distinguish "general" location from "specific"? i.e. > > a. John is in New York. > b. John is in the bathroom. > > c.The meat is in the pot -- b and c I guess would be "inside" wouldn't > they?
Very good question. These English examples all do rather well using the same word. Right now a:seka`eni only has one form for the sense of "in" as well. However, after reading the on- and off-list responses that may change, esp. regarding the 'touch' dimension. Tom Chappell mentioned (offlist) that some languages have four degrees of 'touch': penetration adhesion/cohesion contact proximity If I were to adopt some or all of these, then I think from your examples above that a. and b. could be 'in' + proximity; and c. could be 'in' + contact.
> And how about "from a high location to an even higher one?" -- a bird > flying > out of a tree for ex.
Hmm. Well, I don't have qualitatives (term?--high, low, middle, etc.) or comparatives yet. As for flying out of a tree, that would be done with 'in' + coinitial ('out of').
> IIRC I had problems in Kash with some of these, such as beside/next to > (touching)...
All of the feedback that I have received has shown me the problems, or omissions, rather, from my system--for which I am grateful. :)) The more I think about this approach to locatives, the more I like it. It just needs some refinement. Don't know when I'll be able to focus on it though... Hopefully in the next week. -------- James W.


Dana Nutter <sasxsek@...>