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Re: Gzarondan vindicated.

From:John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date:Thursday, September 30, 2004, 13:51
Henrik Theiling scripsit:

> To go further, the words for 'this' and 'that' in spoken German are > also derived from the articles. They are 'der hier' (lit.: 'the here' > = 'this one') and 'der da' (lit.: 'the there' = 'that one').
This is closely paralleled by the use of "this-here", "that-there", "these-here", "those-there", and "them-there" in nonstandard spoken American English. ("Them" for "those" is also a feature of those-there dialects.) Pronunciations vary from fully enunciated forms (mostly for emphasis, with stress accent on both syllables) to the sandhi forms ['DIS_jr\=], ['D&4r\=], ['DiZ_jr\=], and ['DEm\r=] ("those-there" does not have a sandhi form AFAIK). In dialects that use "them" as a demonstrative, the alternative 3pl pronoun "'em" < ME, OE _hem_ is never used as a demonstrative, only as a pronoun: I seen 'em. I seen them men. *I seen 'em men. Neat puzzle: construct a sentence of written German beginning with three consecutive instances of "die". -- John Cowan <jcowan@...> http://www.reutershealth.com http://www.ccil.org/~cowan .e'osai ko sarji la lojban. Please support Lojban! http://www.lojban.org

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