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Re: Q about /c/

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Sunday, January 25, 2004, 17:33
At 02:29 25.1.2004, Roger Mills wrote:
> >RM: No. IPA [c] to me is a peculiar beast-- it's a voiceless stop, >basically a k but with the central part of the tongue contacting quite far >forward on the hard palate. Rather like the k of Engish "key". If you can >hear any of the IPA websites, it seems in some cases to have a bit of a >y-like release, similar to but not as noticeable as in English >"cute". There is a voiced counterpart, IPA "j with a crossbar", roughly >like English g in "geese". Personally I suspect these occur mainly as >allophones of phonemic /k/ before front vowels, but if there are languages >where the two are distinctive, I'm sure someone will tell us. >
Icelandic has the triplet _ekki_ ['Ehc:I] 'not', _ekkja_ ['Ehc:a] 'widow', _ekkju_ ['Ehc:Y] 'widow's' (gen.) In the orthography [c] is always _k_ followed by a front vowel or _kj_, but phonetically there's no off-glide. /BP 8^) -- B.Philip Jonsson mailto:melrochX@melroch.se (delete X) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ A h-ammen ledin i phith! \ \ __ ____ ____ _____________ ____ __ __ __ / / \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /'Aestan ~\_ // /__/ // /__/ / /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine __ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ Gwaedhvenn Angeliniel\ \______/ /a/ /_h-adar Merthol naun ~~~~~~~~~Kuinondil~~~\________/~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ || Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda kuivie aiya! || "A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien)