hmm, this didn't send to the first time:
Oh, I think you (Daniel Andreasson) confused Yivrindil and Silindion for the "AIYA" thing, I just
went to Yoon Ha's website describing conlang greetings. Yivrindil is
definitely "aiya" and Silindion is definitely "lare/lanta". :)
Also, the Silindion link on this page:
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-14295/links.html
should be changed to:
http://erelion.free.fr/
since, the information on the link you have is...old..and bad.. :)
Elliott Lash
> Elliott Lash <AL260@...> writes:
> Aniye Daniel Andreasson:
>
> > Elliott Lash wrote:
> >
> > > Agaeth hoegin lhaern, cawro mellegad nos i'leiron
> > > es chygrad no herodd nardelchar nenarad,
> > > es thawrnad teger meddryn eluid,
> > > bawl lui nachen tili nathad nos i nerid?
> >
> > Very nice! It looks very Sindariny (as compared to its
> > relative Silindion which looks very Quenyaish).
>
> Hehe, thanks! That's vaguely the point, tho I prefer to call it very
Welshy..just because it was more consciously designed after all the Welsh
material I have..and love.
>
> > I've been meaning to ask this about Silindion for some
> > time now. You say that it's not that inspired by Quenya
> > IIRC), but still, there are lots of words that are the
> > same in Silindion and Quenya (at least, that's my impression
> > from the postings on Silindion).
>
> lots of words? hmm...well, with the exception of AIYA (see below), it's
mostly little particles..and even then, not really. The general sound is
Quenya-like, since it's phonology is similar, although the phonotactics are
very different...a lot of syllable types occur in Silindion that are totally
foreign to Quenya, also, there are alot more clusters and such. The real way
Quenya influenced Silindion was orthography, and general feel.
>
> > For instance, the greeting _Aiya_ in both langs, being
> > the most obvious example. The _-Cya_ pronominal endings,
> > _ta_ 'that' and _ve_ 'as, while' (which is 'as, like'
> > in Quenya, iirc.), etc.
>
> Aiya?! Greeting? What? where? That's not Silindion..I don't think I've ever
written that :)
>
> -Cya pronominal endings..yeah, very dirrectly Quenya inspired, but note
it's only a genitive ending. TA "that", might as well have been from
Indo-European. In fact, a lot of ROOTS are Indo-European inspired, or, the
semantics of ROOTS are Indo-European inspired. Ve "as"..yeah, from Quenya.
>
> Other than that, I dont know any other major words in the things I've shown
here or in the main lexicon that are the same in Quenya and in Silindion...
nore "tree" is similar to Quenya nore "land", but..it's not at all inspired
from it. Nore "tree" comes from *na:rai, an old infinitive from the ROOT
*na: "grow"
>
> > Is this a conscious move or unconscious or something
> > else? Or have I misunderstood the whole thing?
>
> Actually..I dont even know Quenya...so, much of the Quenya inspired items
come from my cursory examination of Quenya, several years ago, but it's
definitly conscious, since I really like Quenya.
>
> and anyone who's interested...visit the website:
>
> Elliott Lash