Re: Inchoactive in Jpn? (was: "Anticipatory" Tense)

--- Weiben Wang <weibenw@...> wrote:
> --- "M.E.S." <suomenkieli@...> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of Chinese, is such a trait common with
> the
> > verbals? (ie, do you also tend to place 2 verbs
> > together to produce a new meaning, to the degree
> JPN
> > does...  _omou > omoi_ "think", _dasu_ "put out,
> > take
> > out, bring out", _omoidasu_ "recall")
> >
> > M.E.S.
>
> This kind of compounding is one of the primary, and
> highly productive, forms of word derivation in
> Chinese, and particularly in Mandarin, since it is
> phonologically the simplest of the dialects, and has
> the most homophones.  The classic example is
> kan4jian4, which was calqued into English as
> "look-see."  Another examplye might be "shou1ji2,
> "recieve-gather," meaning "to collect."
>
> Also quite common are verb-object compounds, such as
> chi1fan4, read most literally as "to eat rice," but
> take together meaning "to eat (a meal), to dine."
> Other examples might be da3zi4 "hit-word," meaning
> "to
> type (on a typewriter)," or du2shu1, "read-book,"
> meaning "to study, to attend school."
Interesting, indeed.  Wonder if Japanese "imported"
this characteristic from China as well...

Anyhow, I found your example da3zi4 as "to type" most
interesting.  From my Japanese knowledge, I believe
da3 would be the same character as =de= of =deguchi=
(exit) and zi4 would be the same character as =ji= of
=kanji= ??  If so, I wonder why "to type" in JPN is
=nyuuryoku= where =nyuu= comes from =iriguchi=
(entrance) and =ryoku= from =chikara= (power).  Anyone
have any thoughts.....  Kou?

M.E.S.





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