Re: CHAT: geminate in _Messer_ (was: Announcement: New auxlang "Choton")

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:27:10 +0200, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

>Quoting "J. 'Mach' Wust" <j_mach_wust@...>:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:02:53 +0200, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:
>
>> >Actually, I too find the new rules easier. On top of which they allow
>> >for more consistent treatment of vocalic length and don't involve the
>> >most annoying concept of orthographic syllables.
>> >
>> >(Unless you're telling us you've got a geminate in _Messer_ ...)
>>
>> That wouldn't be much of a surprise: This feature is found in Swiss
>> standard German, and Pascal's German seems to share other features with
>> Swiss standard German, as e.g. the distinction between short |ä| and |e|.
>>
>> However, Swiss standard German geminates the |ss|, that is, has a long
>> /s:/ as well in |Messer| as in |heissen| (or |heißen|). So this doesn't
>> make any  distinction.
>
>Neat. Are there any medial short [s], making for a a three-way contrast
>/s:/~/s/~/z/ in the Swiss standard?
We have |reissen| ['raIs:(@)n] vs. |reisen| ['raIs(@)n]. The [s: / s]
contrast corresponds to the [s / z] contrast of other varieties of standard
German. It's often spelled [s: / z_0] or even [s / z_0] in order to make
this correspondance more obvious.

>Pascal would have to for his comments
>re: |ss|~|ß| representing (in the old orthography) whether it spans two
>syllables or not to make sense (unless I'm missing something).
??

kry@s:
j. 'mach' wust

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