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Re: Case

From:Irina Rempt-Drijfhout <ira@...>
Date:Monday, July 19, 1999, 18:25
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Padraic Brown wrote:

> "Carol I Domnul Romaniei"=20
"Carol I Lord-the Romania-of"
> "Carol I Rege al Romaniei"
"Carol I King of-the Romania-of"
> "Carol II Regele Romanilor"
"Carol II King-the Romanians-of"
> I bet the le isn't voc. here, but nom.
It's the definite article for masculine words ending in -e, or indeed any vowel other than -u. Anyway, if words *do* end in -u it's probably been suppressed and only comes back when the word has an article, like in _domn(u)_ + _l(u)_ =3D _domnul_ "the lord". For your information and entertainment, here's the Trisagion ("thrice holy", the thing sung in the Orthodox Church before the Gospel book is brought in) in Romanian: Sf=EEnte Dumnezeule Holy God=20 _Dumnezeu_ from "Dominus Deus"; -le *is* the vocative ending here Sf=EEnte Tare Holy Mighty no vocative ending; _tarele_ sounds silly to me but that's perhaps because I've been singing it without it for years Sf=EEnte f@r' de moarte =20 Holy without part. death @ is a-with-a-bow, the apostrophe stands for another elided @.=20 part. =3D partitive "of"; f@r@ "without" doesn't need it in modern usage, but in this verse it's always used, perhaps archaically. miluieSte-ne pe noi have.mercy-us upon us S is s-with-a-tail, pronounced [S]. The clitic pronoun is mandatory, even in modern informal usage (_t,i-am v@zut_ "I've seen you", _t,i-am v@zut pe tine_ "I've seen YOU"; t, is t-with-a-tail, pronounced [ts]). The accusative is usually, perhaps always - my Romanian is as rusty as a medieval nail and the book is behind my mother's legacy) - expressed by _pe_ "on", so we can call it a separate case, I think. =20 Irina Varsinen an laynynay, saraz no arlet rastynay. (myself) (English) (Nederlands)