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Re: Case

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Date:Saturday, July 10, 1999, 13:17
Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 10/07/99 10:24:37  , Boudewijn a =E9crit :

> Well, what do you think? How would you analyse _ga_ on the > basis of these examples?
i'm not a linguist so i can't say much more than for "tan". maybe i'm completely wrong here but temptatively it makes me think of japanese nominalizing-topicalizing "no wa", "to iu no wa", "to iu koto", "to itte", etc.. so you can topicize any argument, verb, copula, clause, raccoons, etc... except that sometimes it seems also trigger a kind of dutch "er" or "daar" in the rheme and sometime it just points at the focus (?). also i guess that the fact that NEG is right after or before any negated item makes it possible to either topicize/focus a negation or negate the topic/focus (??). i must say that some of your examples i would have flatly misinterpreted. S =3D subject T/F =3D topic/focus iO =3D indirect object dO =3D direct object ?O =3D what kind of object ? your structure seems to me : S iO V dO stuff like "cu" and "at" reminds me of serial intransitive verbs or english up and down in put it up/cut it down or japanese copulas.
> Adanvough ga barusha goho qireze.=20 > old_man NOM mountain high see > The old man sees the mountain that is high. > The old man sees that the mountain is high.
S-T/F ?O V in light cast by the following i guess ?O is actually iO:
> Keda ga naha afran teshitlo gevir ram. > father NOM mother go market give money=20 > father gives money to mother who goes to the marked > =20
S-T/F iO V dO
> Zinahama ga aday yos=E9 sam=E9.=20 > grandma NOM child cheeky say > Grandma gives the cheeky child a talking-to
S-T/F iO V mathias