Re: CHAT: Contractions in colloquial German (was: Re: articles)

Some annotations here about my area (Ruhr area):

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:19:04 +0100, Carsten Becker
<naranoieati@...> wrote:
>They don't say things like "Wo is'n der Teller? -- Ich hab'n
>aufgegessen."
Common, but slightly different: "Wo is'n der Tella? -- Ich hab'n aufgegessn."

>or "Wo gehst'n hin?" in Aachen?
Not used here. One would say "Wo gehste hin?" instead.

>How widespread are the phenomena listed below then?
>
>FWIW, in my dialect the 3sg pronouns are shortened to the
>following:
>
> ihn        (him)          => 'n(e)   [n=]/[n@]
> sie        (she, her)     => 'se     [z@]
> ihm        (to him)       => 'm      [m=]
> ihr        (to her)       => 'er     [6]
> es         (it)           => 's      [s]
sie->'se is very common, the others not that much, but I've heard them already.
Besides that, word-final -er normally becomes -a [V] (except in "der").

>Since I called this thread "Contractions in colloquial
>German", here's a list of other contractions I could
>observe myself and my environment to use. I think most of
>these contractions are commonly found in many regions:
>
>  Colloq  | Pronctn  | Std. Language |   Translation
>----------+----------+---------------+-----------------
>'n*       | [(?)n=]  | den, ein, ihn,| the, a, him,
>          |          | denn          | filling word in
>          |          |               | questions
Not too common, but heard of it.

>   'ne    | [n@]     | eine          | a
>   'nen   | [n@n]    | einen         | to a
>   'ner   | [n6]     | einer         | to a
Rather common.

>'m        | [(?)m=]  | den, ihn      | the, him
>'mer      | [m6]     | wir           | we
>'wer      | [v6]     | wir           | we
Not used. Over here, only 'wa [vV] is used for "wir", as in "Ham wa nich" =
"Haben wir nicht".

>'se       | [z@]     | sie           | she, You
>-ste ...? | [st@]    | -st du ...?   | d'ya ...?
Quite common.

>'er       | [6]      | er, der       | he, the
>'s        | [s]      | es            | it
Not too common, but heard of it.

>----------+----------+---------------+-----------------
>rauf*     | [RAU)f]  | hin-/herauf   | up
>runter*   | ["RUnt6] | hin-/herunter | down
>rein*     | [RAI)n]  | hin-/herein   | in
>raus      | [RAU)s]  | her-/hinaus   | out
>rüber*    | ["Ryb6]  | hin-/herüber  | across
>jetz'     | [jEts)]  | jetzt         | now
>nix       | [nIks)]  | nichts        | nothin'
>nich      | [nIC]    | nicht         | n't
*very* common - so common that the full words are actually quite rare.
As already noted, final -er becomes -a, so that makes:

runta ['RuntV]
rüba ['RybV]
Although for "rüber", it can also become rübba ['RYba].

>   However, in the region where I live, they rather say:
>
>   'n -> 'ne: ihn, den
>   rauf -> ruff [RUf]/ruffer ["RUf6]
>   runter -> runner ["RUn6]
>   rüber -> rübber ["RYb6]
None of these here.

>   And, many |ie|'s [i:] > [I]:
>   wieder   ["vi:d6]     > ["vId6]     (again)
>   Dienstag ["di:ns.tAk] > ["dIns.tAX] (Tuesday)
>   lieber   [li:b6]      = [li:b6]    (dear, untranslatable)
Likewise here, and word-final -g becomes -ch ([x] after a, o, u and [C]
after e, ö, i, ü), so we have:

wieder > widda ['vIdV]
lieber > libba ['lIbV]
aber > abba ['abV]

"Das is abba widda lustich heute, was ham wa da gelacht."

In some cases though, the long i stays, as in Dienstach [di:nstax].

--
Pascal A. Kramm, author of:
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